Evaluating minimum and maximum values with calculations

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The discussion revolves around evaluating minimum and maximum values related to average speed calculations in a physics context, specifically involving time and height measurements.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between minimum and maximum values for time and height in calculating average speed. Questions arise about the correct use of these values and the impact of uncertainties on the calculations.

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Participants are actively discussing how to approach the calculation of minimum average speed, with some suggesting that using maximum values in certain contexts may yield a minimum speed. There is an ongoing exploration of how to apply uncertainties in the calculations.

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There is a mention of uncertainties in measurements and how they affect the calculation of average speed, indicating that the original poster is grappling with the implications of these uncertainties on their results.

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Homework Statement
Determine the maximum and minimum values for the average speed of an object falling from a height of 2 meters in 0.63 seconds.

Uncertainty of time = +/- 0.05 s
Uncertainty of height = +/- 0.02 m
Relevant Equations
v = ∆y/∆t
Hi! I know this may seem like a silly question but I really just want to make sure I understand this correctly. I've already calculated the minimum and maximum values for time and height:

t min = 0.58 s
t max = 0.68 s
y min = 1.98 m
y max = 2.02 m

To calculate the minimum average speed, would I use the minimum values of time and height ? (and vice versa for max speed)
I thought that would be the process, but the minimum values give a bigger speed, and the max values give me a smaller speed:

v measured = 2.00/0.63 = 3.17 m/s
v min = 1.98/0.58 = 3.41 m/s
v max = 2.02/0.68 = 2.97 m/s

This is really confusing..
 
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If you want ##\bar{v}_{min}## you have to choose the uncertainties such that the quantity: $$ \bar{v} = \frac{ h \pm u_h}{t \pm u_t}$$ is as small as it can be.

How would you choose the signs to do that?
 
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v = ∆y/∆t .
 
erobz said:
If you want ##\bar{v}_{min}## you have to choose the uncertainties such that the quantity: $$ \bar{v} = \frac{ h \pm u_h}{t \pm u_t}$$ is as small as it can be.

How would you choose the signs to do that?
addition gives the smallest value.. so I'd essentially be using the maximum values to get a minimum value for speed? that's very weird haha
 
crememars said:
addition gives the smallest value.. so I'd essentially be using the maximum values to get a minimum value for speed? that's very weird haha
You have you think about the relative sizes of the numerator and denominator. Think about what happens in the division. Addition is not the answer, it depends on which part (numerator, denominator) you are talking about?
 
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erobz said:
You have you think about the relative sizes of the numerator and denominator.
Wait, would it be correct to divide the minimum distance by the maximum time then? Ohh it makes a bit more sense now, I see how that would produce a minimum speed
 
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