Evaluating the Improper Integral

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the improper integral $$\int_2^{\infty} \frac{1}{x^{1.5}}\,dx$$. Participants explore various methods of integration, the application of limits, and the implications of convergence or divergence of the integral.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using the limit definition of improper integrals, specifically $$\lim_{b \to \infty} \int_2^b x^{-1.5}\,dx$$.
  • There is a discussion about whether to include a constant of integration when evaluating improper integrals, with some arguing it is unnecessary.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about applying the power rule correctly, particularly in the context of negative exponents.
  • One participant proposes that the integral diverges based on their evaluation, while another participant questions the reasoning behind this conclusion.
  • There are conflicting interpretations regarding the evaluation of limits and whether the integral converges or diverges, with some suggesting it converges and others indicating divergence.
  • Participants clarify the relationship between $$x^{1.5}$$ and $$x^{3/2}$$, indicating a potential source of confusion in the calculations.
  • One participant summarizes their understanding, indicating they believe the integral converges based on a finite limit they calculated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the integral converges or diverges, with multiple competing views remaining throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion over the application of the power rule and limits, and there are unresolved questions about the implications of their calculations on the convergence of the integral.

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Readers interested in improper integrals, integration techniques, and the convergence of mathematical expressions may find this discussion beneficial.

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Hey, I need a little help. I'm a bit stuck.

Evaluate the Integral

$$\int ^{\infty}_2 \frac{1}{x^{1.5}}$$

Here is what I have:

$$\int ^{\infty}_2 = x^{-1.5} = \frac{1}{.5} x^{.5} |^\infty _2$$

Am i doing this correctly or no?
 
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shamieh said:
Hey, I need a little help. I'm a bit stuck.

Evaluate the Integral

$$\int ^{\infty}_2 \frac{1}{x^{1.5}}$$

Here is what I have:

$$\int ^{\infty}_2 = x^{-1.5} = \frac{1}{.5} x^{.5} |^\infty _2$$

Am i doing this correctly or no?

For starters, PLEASE use correct integral notation, it should be

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int_2^{\infty}{\frac{1}{x^{1.5}}\,dx} \end{align*}$

I agree converting to a negative power is the way to perform the integration. So you need to evaluate

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \lim_{b \to \infty} \int_2^b{x^{-1.5}\,dx} \end{align*}$
 
So then:

$$\int ^{\infty}_2 \frac{1}{x^{1.5}}$$

$$\lim_{b\to\infty}$$ $$\int ^{b}_2 = x^{-1.5} = \frac{1}{.5} x^{.5} |^b _2$$

$$= \lim_{b\to\infty}$$ $$[\infty] - [\frac{2}{\sqrt{2}} ]$$ is what I got. Do I need to put + C when evaluating improper integrals?
 
You are in essence taking the limit of a definite integral, so any constant of integration would be subtracted away anyway during the application of the FTOC, so there is no need to use a constant of integration. I would write:

$$I=\int_2^{\infty} x^{-\frac{3}{2}}\,dx= \lim_{t\to\infty}\left[\int_2^t x^{-\frac{3}{2}}\,dx \right]$$

Now to finish apply the FTOC and then compute the resulting limit. Be careful to correctly apply the power rule...
 
$$-2\sqrt{x} | ^t_2 = [\infty] - [2*\sqrt{2}] = -2\sqrt{2}$$ ?
 
You are still not applying the power rule correctly:

$$\int x^r\,dx=\frac{x^{r+1}}{r+1}+C$$ where $$r\ne-1$$

What is $$-\frac{3}{2}+1$$ ?
 
$$-2x^{-1/2} |^t_2$$

$$= 0 - [-2 * \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}] = \frac{2}{\sqrt{2}} $$

wow that way is so much easier
 
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Where did the zero come from?
 
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  • #10
I guess realizing that $$x^{1.5}$$ is the same as $$x^{1/2}$$ initially probabaly would have helped (Tauri)
 
  • #11
shamieh said:
I guess realizing that $$x^{1.5}$$ is the same as $$x^{1/2}$$ initially probabaly would have helped (Tauri)

$$1.5=\frac{3}{2}$$ (Wink)
 
  • #12
MarkFL said:
$$1.5=\frac{3}{2}$$ (Wink)

Oh why of course that's what I meant. I just like to keep you on your feet mark (Headbang)(Drunk)(Toivo)
 
  • #13
$$\therefore$$ this would diverge correct?
 
  • #14
You tell me:

$$I=\int_2^{\infty} x^{-\frac{3}{2}}\,dx= \lim_{t\to\infty}\left[\int_2^t x^{-\frac{3}{2}}\,dx \right]=?$$
 
  • #15
so we have $$lim_{t\to\infty} -\frac{2}{3} x^{-1/2} |^t_2$$

so: we end up with $$\infty$$ divided by a number which = $$0$$. So it converges but then when we evaluate the other side we end up with $$2/\sqrt{2}$$ which is about $$1.4$$ something which is > 1 so it diverges, and if it diverges here the whole thing diverges right?
 
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shamieh said:
so we have $$lim_{t\to\infty} -\frac{2}{3} x^{-1/2} |^t_2$$

so: we end up with $$\infty$$ divided by a number which = $$0$$. So it converges but then when we evaluate the other side we end up with $$2/\sqrt{2}$$ which is about $$1.4$$ something which is > 1 so it diverges, and if it diverges here the whole thing diverges right?

How did you get -2/3?

Surely $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{x^{-\frac{3}{2} + 1}}{-\frac{3}{2} + 1} = \frac{x^{-\frac{1}{2}}}{-\frac{1}{2}} = -2x^{-\frac{1}{2}} \end{align*}$.

Now write it as $\displaystyle \begin{align*} -\frac{2}{\sqrt{x}} \end{align*}$. Evaluate this between 2 and t, and see what happens as $\displaystyle \begin{align*} t \to \infty \end{align*}$.
 
  • #17
Prove It said:
How did you get -2/3?

Surely $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{x^{-\frac{3}{2} + 1}}{-\frac{3}{2} + 1} = \frac{x^{-\frac{1}{2}}}{-\frac{1}{2}} = -2x^{-\frac{1}{2}} \end{align*}$.

Now write it as $\displaystyle \begin{align*} -\frac{2}{\sqrt{x}} \end{align*}$. Evaluate this between 2 and t, and see what happens as $\displaystyle \begin{align*} t \to \infty \end{align*}$.

Wow I've screwed up this problem lol.. What I meant to say was:

so we have $$\lim_{t\to\infty} -2x^{-1/2} |^t_2$$

so: we end up with $$-2(\infty)^{-1/2}$$ which would converge. But then when we evaluate the other side we end up with $$\frac{2}{\sqrt{2}}$$ which is about 1.4 but we don't have to worry about that side so would the whole thing converge? See I am wondering if I should just consider t's exponential, which in this case would be $$< 1$$ because $$-1/2 < 1$$ thus: converge? OR should I actually re-write the problem as $$\frac{-2}{\sqrt{\infty}}$$ which is just 0 thus t < 1 , thus converges

Again, thank you for bearing with me on this problem and this subject, I just want to make sure I completely understand what I am finding and what is going on, you guys have been great. Let me know if I am correct in my solution I have just provided.

Thanks
 
  • #18
I would just write:

$$I=\int_2^{\infty} x^{-\frac{3}{2}}\,dx= \lim_{t\to\infty}\left[\int_2^t x^{-\frac{3}{2}}\,dx \right]=-2\lim_{t\to\infty}\left(\left[x^{-\frac{1}{2}} \right]_2^t \right)=2\lim_{t\to\infty}\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}-\frac{1}{\sqrt{t}} \right)=2\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}-0 \right)=\sqrt{2}$$
 
  • #19
Got it. Since this is a finite limit I know it converges. I see now.
 

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