Evolution and preservation of endangered animals

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between evolution and the conservation of endangered species, particularly in light of arguments made by creationists questioning the rationale for preserving species that may go extinct. Participants explore various aspects of evolution, extinction events, and human impact on wildlife.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that while evolution leads to the emergence of new species, extinctions occur for various reasons, including human activity and catastrophic events, such as volcanic eruptions and asteroid impacts.
  • Another participant emphasizes the rapid pace of current extinction events compared to the slow process of species evolution, arguing that this context is often overlooked in discussions about conservation.
  • Several participants use analogies to illustrate their points, such as comparing the preservation of species to saving money in a constantly inflating economy.
  • One participant asserts that humans are part of evolution, questioning the logic behind efforts to save humanity if extinction is a natural process.
  • Another participant critiques the validity of anti-evolution arguments, suggesting that they are rooted in a belief system rather than scientific evidence, and draws parallels to public health responses during the pandemic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of evolution for species conservation, with some questioning the rationale for preserving endangered species while others argue for the importance of conservation efforts. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference historical extinction events and current human impacts on wildlife without resolving the complexities of these issues. There is a lack of consensus on the philosophical implications of evolution in relation to conservation.

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Recently I saw a video from a Christian creationist who was trying to debunk evolution with an argument that if evolution gives us new species all the time why would we make an effort to preserve those that are going extinct.

So I was thinking a little bit about it and these are my conclusions, and I am interested if someone can tell me how correct am I, if there are some mistakes, etc.

At the first glance, this even seems to make sense—that is if you only know evolution superficially, but if you know a little better — it doesn't make sense. The main thing is, there are several reasons why species go extinct. One way is because they are being replaced by new species of animals (their distant offsprings) because they are better adapted, especially if it is due to a slower climate change and they out hunt them, the prey that they are hunting gets better evolved,

But there are extinctions during (major) disasters when animals suddenly become extinct no matter how they are adapted to the environment. For example, at the end of the Permian period (250 million years ago), 70% of terrestrial vertebrates became extinct due to strong and sudden volcanic activity. Or a more famous catastrophe that occurred in the Late Triassic (60 million years ago) when an asteroid struck and 75% of all animal species became extinct.

Something similar is happening today, that is, we humans are that catastrophe for animals. We simply kill them because we need their territory to build settlements, plant arable land, and similar. For example, if there were no people protecting gorillas, all wild gorillas could be killed off in an instant because they live in oil-rich areas, so it is in the interest of many businessmen for gorillas to "disappear" (see more about this problem in the documentary "Virunga" (2014)). Moreover, it always seemed that way: Europe and America used to be full of animals like the Serengeti in Africa: with elephants, horses, gazelles, lions, rhinos, buffaloes… but whenever people showed up, these animals would just disappear because our ancestors hunted them down — and/or a combination of hunting and climate changes. With the only exception of animals in Africa who survived because they evolved with us, and thus adapted (though not to the modern man with technology).
 
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Your conclusions seems missing :wink:

It's hard to think right about evolution on the basis of a presumed few thousand years. The scale on what new (macro) species appears is far-far-far bigger than the age of the whole creation (by their thinking). And compared to that, the speed of the actual extinction event is so fast that it's fast even on their timescale...

Just don't get bogged down with this kind of thing. Does not worth it.
 
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Tiger Blood said:
if evolution gives us new species all the time why would we make an effort to preserve those that are going extinct.
Bald eagles are pretty.

Don't overthink this.
 
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Tiger Blood said:
if evolution gives us new species all the time why would we make an effort to preserve those that are going extinct.
If the mint keeps printing money, why do I need to save any money?
 
Humans are part of evolution. If humans are going extinct, why would humans make an effort to save themselves?
 
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PF does not debunk evolution claims not supported in scientific literature. It is impossible to debunk because religious opponents of it follow what they believe is an 'Absolute Truth'. This is their right under the US constitution. You may have noticed what this type of "dis-science" has done for the pandemic:
As of 8/2/2021 18:17MDT on Worldometer:

New Zealand Population 5,002,100, Cases 2877, Deaths 26
South Carolina Population 5,148,715, Cases 623,947, Deaths 9915

Can you guess which geographic entity did better? Hint - it is not the one that could not follow scientific and medical guidelines, like vaccinations.

Yes, they are different places, but they both have significant minority populations. Deaths are radically different. Human behavior is the primary driver for this result. Nothing else.
 
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