Evolution & Mutation: Harmful, Neutral, Beneficial?

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The discussion revolves around the categorization of mutations in the context of evolution, specifically focusing on harmful, neutral, and beneficial mutations. Participants explore the complexities of determining the ratios of these types of mutations and the implications of genetic variation in different species and environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that mutations can be classified into harmful, neutral, or beneficial categories, but the ratios of these types depend on the species and environmental context.
  • One participant cites the example of cheetahs, noting that their high genetic similarity due to strong selective pressure for speed makes them vulnerable to diseases, contrasting this with humans' genetic diversity.
  • Another participant mentions that the perceived benefit or harm of a mutation can change over time, using sickle cell anemia as an example where a mutation is advantageous in certain environments.
  • Participants provide references to studies suggesting varying percentages of beneficial and neutral mutations, indicating that these figures can differ widely across different contexts.
  • There is a discussion about the difficulty in defining what constitutes a mutation, with some arguing that the context of the mutation is crucial for understanding its impact.
  • One participant suggests that neutral mutations may be the most frequent, while others emphasize the randomness and complexity of determining the effects of mutations.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the categorization and impact of mutations, with no consensus reached on the ratios or definitions of harmful, neutral, and beneficial mutations.

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Limitations include the dependence on environmental conditions and species-specific factors, as well as the ambiguity in defining what constitutes a mutation.

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As I've learned it, mutations can be grouped into 3 categories as they relate to evolution: harmful, neutral, or beneficial. Is there any way to figure out the ratios (in relation to each other) of these types of mutations?
 
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heliocentricprose said:
As I've learned it, mutations can be grouped into 3 categories as they relate to evolution: harmful, neutral, or beneficial. Is there any way to figure out the ratios (in relation to each other) of these types of mutations?

Some mutations are obviously harmful of course - gross teratologies, or offspring born dead - but in evolutionary terms benefit or harm can only be determined long after the fact, by the number of phenotype descendents reproducing the mutated gene.

Let me cite an example of how it's not simple. Speed is a great advantage to cheetahs in hunting for food, so they have evolved under strong selective pressure to emphasize speed. It happens that cheetah speed is a single strong feature of the cheetah genome.This has resulted in the whole population of cheetahs being nearly as identical to each other genetically as twins or clones. And that has put the whole population of cheetahs in great peril, because any slight genetic flaw or mutated virus could knock every one of them out if it could knock anyone out. By contrast humanity can survive plagues (like the medieval Black Death) because of rich genetic variety.
 
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heliocentricprose said:
As I've learned it, mutations can be grouped into 3 categories as they relate to evolution: harmful, neutral, or beneficial. Is there any way to figure out the ratios (in relation to each other) of these types of mutations?
There is no "one" ratio that fits all--it depends on the species and environment. Actually, what is good mutation today may be bad tomorrow or neutral (or vis-a-versa). Consider sickle cell anemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickle_cell_anemia) , where a single mutation confers advantage for humans (in the heterozygous condition) but only in environment where a species of mosquito is found.

Here we read a study where 12 % of mutations were beneficial:http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/98/20/11388. Here that 35 % (in humans) are beneficial:http://www.uchospitals.edu/news/2002/20020227-evolve.html
Here that neutral mutations ranged from 18 to 32 %: http://www.bioinf.uni-leipzig.de/Pu...016.pdf#search="percent of neutral mutations". Search the literature, you will find many examples of such percentages.
 
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Whether a mutation is harmful, neutral, or beneficial is hard to tell.
Those that kill you at birth are deffinetly harmful, but what about others?

You can't say that the only harmful mutations are those that kill you, in fact, you can't even discerne every other mutation unless you put it in "context", aka: in the invironment.

Phosphorescent fur could save a mouse from a cat, but it would later bring it's doom, at the hand of an over-curious kid.
You get my point :) It's too random to provide numbers, but generally, I'd say neutral are the most frequent.

We're all different, but we're not special. (tm)
 
Watch out how you define 'mutation' too. Sometimes people mean any genetic change (including normal recombination during reproduction) and sometimes people mean a copying error or some kind of damage.
The latter case is more often detrimental than beneficial...not sure about the ratio to neutral changes. Like other said, it depends where it happens (critical gene or not) and what the environmental conditions that the organism has to live in.
 

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