Evolution of Life-Supporting Elements

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The discussion revolves around the timeline for the formation of exoplanets containing life-sustaining elements such as carbon and water in the Universe. Participants explore the earliest possible points in time for these elements to exist and the implications for the emergence of life.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant queries the earliest time exoplanets with life-sustaining elements could have formed, referencing the formation of the first stars about 500 million years after the big bang.
  • Another participant cites a paper suggesting that 4 billion years after the big bang is a lower limit for biological evolution, while terrestrial planets may have formed 2-3 billion years after the big bang.
  • A different participant references Abraham Loeb's work, proposing that rocky planets with essential elements could have existed much earlier than 2 billion years after the big bang.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the conclusions regarding the timeline for life, questioning whether a couple of million years is sufficient for life to appear and challenging the relevance of anthropic principles in this context.
  • Another participant raises the concern that supernovae may have sterilized environments prior to approximately 4 billion years from the big bang, potentially impacting the formation of life-supporting conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views regarding the timeline for the formation of life-sustaining elements and the emergence of life, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations related to the assumptions made about the conditions necessary for life and the dependency on various definitions of habitability and life-sustaining elements.

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Looking for research answering the following question: "What is the earliest point in time, in the Universe, that exoplanets comprised of life-sustaining elements such as carbon, water, etc. could have formed?"

I've read that the earliest known stars likely formed about 500 million years after the big bang, trying to ascertain the earliest point that those stars could have yielded more complex elements to create planets.

Thanks
 
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This paper from Lineweaver & Chopra http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~charley/papers/LineweaverChopra2012.pdf
cites 4 billion years after the big bang as a lower-limit for "sufficient time for biological evolution", and 2-3 billion years after the big bang for terrestrial planets to form. Those numbers are clearly "ballpark" numbers, but that might give you an idea. The review is a fairly interesting and easy read, if you're interested in this subject. Have a look at the references for more substantial work.
 
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This is exactly what I needed, thank you.
 
But see http://arxiv.org/abs/1312.0613
Abraham Loeb of Harvard is a prominent cosmologist.
"What is the earliest point in time, in the Universe, that exoplanets comprised of life-sustaining elements such as carbon, water, etc. could have formed?"

He puts the existence of rocky planets with elements like C, N, O, Ca, Si, etc. much earlier than 2 billion years after start of expansion.
 
That's a super interesting paper.

But I don't know if I agree with his conclusions in regards to life. A couple of million years (between the beginning of the habitable era and the end) isn't really long enough for life to appear. Further, I'm not sure the anthropic principles comments make much sense - even if single celled life might have occurred 12 million years after the BB, that doesn't mean much about observations made by complex life.
 
Isn't the bigger issue supernovae sterilizing everything prior to ~4by from the BB?
 

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