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The discussion revolves around the concept of exact sequences and short exact sequences in the context of algebra, specifically as presented in Dummit and Foote's textbook. Participants seek to clarify the relationship between exact sequences and their representation as short exact sequences, exploring definitions, examples, and the implications of exactness.

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  • One participant requests a formal demonstration of the statement that any exact sequence can be expressed as a succession of short exact sequences, seeking an example for better understanding.
  • Another participant corrects a misquote from Dummit and Foote, emphasizing the need for clarity regarding the homomorphisms involved in the exact sequences.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of specification of homomorphisms in the context of short exact sequences, questioning how to fully understand their nature without this information.
  • Questions are posed regarding the assumption that the homomorphism from α(X) to Y is the inclusion map, and whether this assumption is necessary for establishing exactness.
  • Further inquiries are made about how the exactness of the middle terms in the short exact sequence relates to the image of α being equal to the kernel of the quotient map β.
  • A later post clarifies that in typical short exact sequences, the homomorphisms are often understood to be the natural inclusion and quotient maps, which may explain the omission in the textbook.

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Participants express uncertainty and seek clarification on various aspects of exact sequences and their properties. There is no consensus on the implications of the definitions provided, and multiple viewpoints regarding the necessity of specifying homomorphisms remain unresolved.

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Limitations include the lack of explicit definitions for the homomorphisms involved in the sequences discussed, which may affect the understanding of their exactness. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the relationships between the components of exact sequences.

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In Dummit and Foote Section 10.5 Exact Sequences (see attachment) we read the following on page 379:

"Note that any exact sequence can be written as a succession of short exact sequences since to say

X \longrightarrow Y \longrightarrow Z

[where the homomorphisms involved are as follows; \alpha \ : \ X \longrightarrow Y and \beta \ : \ Y \longrightarrow Z

is exact at Y is the same as saying that the sequence

0 \longrightarrow \alpha (X) \longrightarrow Y/ {ker \beta} \longrightarrow 0

is a short exact sequence.

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I am trying to get an understanding of this statement.

Can someone please demonstrate formally that this is true.

To enable me to get an understanding of this it would help enormously if someone could devise an example of this.

Peter

[This has also been posted on MHF]
 
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Peter said:
In Dummit and Foote Section 10.5 Exact Sequences (see attachment) we read the following on page 379:

"Note that any exact sequence can be written as a succession of short exact sequences since to say

X \longrightarrow Y \longrightarrow Z

[where the homomorphisms involved are as follows; \alpha \ : \ X \longrightarrow Y and \beta \ : \ Y \longrightarrow Z

is exact at Y is the same as saying that the sequence

0 \longrightarrow \alpha (X) \longrightarrow Y/ {ker \beta} \longrightarrow 0

is a short exact sequence.

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I am trying to get an understanding of this statement.

Can someone please demonstrate formally that this is true.
You have misquoted Dummit and Foote. What they actually write is: "to say X \stackrel{\alpha}{\longrightarrow} Y \stackrel{\beta}{\longrightarrow} Z is exact at $Y$ is the same as saying that the sequence

0 \longrightarrow \alpha (X) \longrightarrow Y \longrightarrow Y/\ker (\beta) \longrightarrow 0

is a short exact sequence."

To see why this is true, remember that the definition of X \stackrel{\alpha}{\longrightarrow} Y \stackrel{\beta}{\longrightarrow} Z being exact at $Y$ is that $\alpha(X) = \ker(\beta)$.

In the short exact sequence 0 \longrightarrow \alpha (X) \longrightarrow Y \longrightarrow Y/\ker (\beta) \longrightarrow 0, there are three places where exactness must be checked. For the first three terms of that sequence, exactness for 0 \longrightarrow \alpha (X) \longrightarrow Y means that (the image of) $0$ in $\alpha(X)$ is the kernel of the inclusion map $\alpha (X) \subset Y$ (which is obviously true). For the last three terms of the sequence, exactness for Y \longrightarrow Y/\ker (\beta) \longrightarrow 0 means that the image of $Y$ in the quotient $Y/ \ker (\beta)$ is the kernel of the map taking everything in $Y/ \ker (\beta)$ to $0$ (which is again obviously true, since both those things are the whole of $Y/ \ker (\beta)$). Finally, exactness for the middle three terms of the short exact sequence says that the image of $\alpha$ is equal to the kernel of the quotient map $\beta$. That is the same as saying that X \stackrel{\alpha}{\longrightarrow} Y \stackrel{\beta}{\longrightarrow} Z is exact.

Putting those things together, you see that exactness for the short exact sequence is equivalent to exactness for X \stackrel{\alpha}{\longrightarrow} Y \stackrel{\beta}{\longrightarrow} Z.
 
Opalg said:
You have misquoted Dummit and Foote. What they actually write is: "to say X \stackrel{\alpha}{\longrightarrow} Y \stackrel{\beta}{\longrightarrow} Z is exact at $Y$ is the same as saying that the sequence

0 \longrightarrow \alpha (X) \longrightarrow Y \longrightarrow Y/\ker (\beta) \longrightarrow 0

is a short exact sequence."

To see why this is true, remember that the definition of X \stackrel{\alpha}{\longrightarrow} Y \stackrel{\beta}{\longrightarrow} Z being exact at $Y$ is that $\alpha(X) = \ker(\beta)$.

In the short exact sequence 0 \longrightarrow \alpha (X) \longrightarrow Y \longrightarrow Y/\ker (\beta) \longrightarrow 0, there are three places where exactness must be checked. For the first three terms of that sequence, exactness for 0 \longrightarrow \alpha (X) \longrightarrow Y means that (the image of) $0$ in $\alpha(X)$ is the kernel of the inclusion map $\alpha (X) \subset Y$ (which is obviously true). For the last three terms of the sequence, exactness for Y \longrightarrow Y/\ker (\beta) \longrightarrow 0 means that the image of $Y$ in the quotient $Y/ \ker (\beta)$ is the kernel of the map taking everything in $Y/ \ker (\beta)$ to $0$ (which is again obviously true, since both those things are the whole of $Y/ \ker (\beta)$). Finally, exactness for the middle three terms of the short exact sequence says that the image of $\alpha$ is equal to the kernel of the quotient map $\beta$. That is the same as saying that X \stackrel{\alpha}{\longrightarrow} Y \stackrel{\beta}{\longrightarrow} Z is exact.

Putting those things together, you see that exactness for the short exact sequence is equivalent to exactness for X \stackrel{\alpha}{\longrightarrow} Y \stackrel{\beta}{\longrightarrow} Z.

Thanks to Opalg for this help in the past ...

I am revising exact sequences and must admit to still being uneasy about the above example taken from this remark in Dummit and Foote:View attachment 5817Basis questions are as follows:Question 1

D&F write that saying X \stackrel{\alpha}{\longrightarrow} Y \stackrel{\beta}{\longrightarrow} Z is exact at $$Y$$

is the same as saying that

0 \longrightarrow \alpha (X) \longrightarrow Y \longrightarrow Y/\ker (\beta) \longrightarrow 0

is a short exact sequence ...... BUT ... they do not specify the particular homomorphisms involved ... how are we to fully understand the nature of a short exact sequence when the homomorphisms involved are not specified ...?

Question 2

in the above post to me, Opalg writes:

" ... ... For the first three terms of that sequence, exactness for 0 \longrightarrow \alpha (X) \longrightarrow Y means that (the image of) $0$ in $\alpha(X)$ is the kernel of the inclusion map $\alpha (X) \subset Y$ (which is obviously true). ... ... "
But the above seems to assume that the homomorphism from $$\alpha (X)$$ to $$Y$$ is the inclusion map ... ... BUT ... ... how do we know it is the inclusion map ... ... ? Do we have to deduce it is thus, in order that the sequence is exact ... ?

Question 3

In the above post to me, Opalg writes:

" ... ... Finally, exactness for the middle three terms of the short exact sequence says that the image of $\alpha$ is equal to the kernel of the quotient map $\beta$. That is the same as saying that X \stackrel{\alpha}{\longrightarrow} Y \stackrel{\beta}{\longrightarrow} Z is exact. ... ... "
My problem is as follows:

... ... how does exactness for the middle three terms of

0 \longrightarrow \alpha (X) \longrightarrow Y \longrightarrow Y/\ker (\beta) \longrightarrow 0

say that, or mean that ...

... the image of $\alpha$ is equal to the kernel of the quotient map $\beta$?

Hope someone can help ... ...

Thanks again to Opalg for the previous help ...

Peter

Peter
 
To describe a short exact sequence $ 0 \longrightarrow A \stackrel{\theta}{\longrightarrow} B \stackrel{\phi}{\longrightarrow} C \longrightarrow 0 $ it is usually necessary to specify the homomorphisms $\theta$ and $\phi$ as well as the spaces $A,B,C$. (But notice that even here it is not necessary to specify the homomorphisms $ 0 \longrightarrow A$ and $C \longrightarrow 0 $, since these are uniquely determined.)

However, in the case where $A$ is contained in $B$ people often write $ 0 \longrightarrow A \longrightarrow B \longrightarrow B/A \longrightarrow 0 $ without specifying any of the homomorphisms, on the understanding that these are the natural inclusion and quotient maps.

I assume that is why Dummit and Foote omit specifying the homomorphisms when they write $0 \longrightarrow \alpha (X) \longrightarrow Y \longrightarrow Y/\ker (\beta) \longrightarrow 0$.
 
Opalg said:
To describe a short exact sequence $ 0 \longrightarrow A \stackrel{\theta}{\longrightarrow} B \stackrel{\phi}{\longrightarrow} C \longrightarrow 0 $ it is usually necessary to specify the homomorphisms $\theta$ and $\phi$ as well as the spaces $A,B,C$. (But notice that even here it is not necessary to specify the homomorphisms $ 0 \longrightarrow A$ and $C \longrightarrow 0 $, since these are uniquely determined.)

However, in the case where $A$ is contained in $B$ people often write $ 0 \longrightarrow A \longrightarrow B \longrightarrow B/A \longrightarrow 0 $ without specifying any of the homomorphisms, on the understanding that these are the natural inclusion and quotient maps.

I assume that is why Dummit and Foote omit specifying the homomorphisms when they write $0 \longrightarrow \alpha (X) \longrightarrow Y \longrightarrow Y/\ker (\beta) \longrightarrow 0$.
Thanks Opalg ... I appreciate your help ...

Peter
 
Remark 1
Given R-maps $\alpha : X\longrightarrow Y$ and $\beta : Y\longrightarrow Z$ then

The sequence $X\longrightarrow _\alpha Y\longrightarrow _\beta Z$ is exact in Y if and only if $0\longrightarrow \alpha X \longrightarrow _i Y\longrightarrow _\pi Y/ \ker \beta \longrightarrow 0$ is a short exact sequence. (i is the natural inclusion, $\pi$ is the natural projection.) This is very easy to prove.

Remark 2
I think D&F are really too concise here. I think what they meant here, is better stated by Rotman in exercise 2.6 on p.65 (Rotman - An Introduction to Homological Algebra 2nd edition 2009).
 
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