Exact Solution for Sin(1) in Radians | Using Integers to Express Real Numbers

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The discussion revolves around the exact solution for sin(1) in radians and the possibility of expressing real numbers using integers. Participants explore the nature of trigonometric functions and their representations, particularly focusing on the limitations of expressing certain values exactly.

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  • Participants discuss the use of series to express sin(1) and question the feasibility of representing real numbers with integers. There is a mention of linear approximation and the desire to avoid series expansions. Some participants also explore the concept of algebraic versus transcendental numbers.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the definitions and assumptions surrounding the representation of numbers. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of algebraic and transcendental numbers, but no consensus has been reached on the exact representation of sin(1) or the broader question of expressing real numbers with integers.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of expressing certain values and the definitions of algebraic and transcendental numbers, which may influence their reasoning and conclusions.

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1. Is there an exact solution for sin(1)?
1 is in radians.

I thought about using linear approximation, like for point 0. But that wouldn't give the exact value.


2. Can we express any real number using some integers?
Like sqrt(2)+sqrt(3)/4 = some real number.
eg. how would express this real number in integers:
1.215987456321?

Thanks a lot. :smile:
 
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1.You could express sin(1) as the sum of the series 1 - 1/3! + 1/5! - 1/7! + 1/9!...

2. What do you mean by "using some integers"?
 
nicktacik said:
1.You could express sin(1) as the sum of the series 1 - 1/3! + 1/5! - 1/7! + 1/9!...

2. What do you mean by "using some integers"?

Oh yes, I was awared of the series, but I didn't want to use them. Couldn't we express it as like sqrt(2)+1/6!?

2. some integers like 2.280238966 =sqrt(2)+sqrt(3)/2 [so, 2,3 are integers i was talking about]
 
Only trig functions of fractions of pi give algerbraic answers.

Algerbraic numbers are those that can be written with a (finite) series of fractions or roots. Transcendental numbers such as 'pi' and 'e' cannot be written down completely.
A rational number can be written as a fraction, so any finite decimal number can always be written as a fraction.
eg. 2.280238966 = 2280238966/10000000000
 
Essentially, you seem to be asking if any number can be expressed using only integers with a finite number of multiplication, addition, and power functions. The answer is no.
 
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nicktacik said:
Essentially, you seem to be asking if any number can be expressed only using only integers with a finite number of multiplication, addition, and power functions. The answer is no.

yes, that's what I was trying to ask.

Thanks a lot!
 

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