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The discussion revolves around a probability homework problem involving a machine with two components characterized by a joint density function. Participants explore the calculation of the expected operational time and variance of the machine's lifetime, requiring multi-variable calculus techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 presents the joint density function and asks for the expected operational time and variance, hinting at the need to calculate E(X + Y).
  • Post 2 suggests using three integrals to solve the problem, including checking the validity of the probability distribution and calculating expected value and variance.
  • Post 3 questions the necessity of three integrals, expressing confusion about the definitions of expected value and variance in this context.
  • Post 4 confirms the approach of checking the probability distribution and provides detailed calculations for the first integral, emphasizing the area of the triangular region defined by the joint density function.
  • Post 5 reiterates the calculations from Post 4 and encourages the completion of the expected value and variance calculations.
  • Post 6 comments on the geometric interpretation of the integration limits and stresses the importance of understanding multivariable calculus for the problem.

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Participants generally agree on the need to perform multiple integrals to solve the problem, but there is some confusion regarding the definitions and calculations of expected value and variance, indicating a lack of consensus on the approach.

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Participants express uncertainty about the limits of integration and the geometric interpretation of the joint density function, highlighting potential gaps in understanding multivariable calculus concepts.

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A machine consists of two components whose lifetimes have a joint density function:

$f(x,y) = \left\{
\begin{array}{ll}
\frac{1}{50} & \quad x \geq 0, y \geq 0, x+y \leq 10 \\
0 & \quad Otherwise
\end{array}
\right.$

The machine operates until both components fail.

(a) Calculate the expected operational time of the machine. Hint: This is E(X + Y).

(b) Calculate the variance of the operational time of the machine.$$$$
 
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This will require your best multi-variable calculus.

Can you state the definition of "Expected Value" in this context?

Personally, I would do three (3) integrals to complete this assignment:

With appropriate limits...
1) \int\int f(x,y)\;dy\;dx Just to show that we do have a proper probability distribution.
2) \int\int (x+y)\cdot f(x,y)\;dy\;dx To find the Expected Value
3) \int\int (x+y)^{2}\cdot f(x,y)\;dy\;dx To get us on our way to the Variance.

Let's see where that takes you. :-)
 
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tkhunny said:
This will require your best multi-variable calculus.

Can you state the definition of "Expected Value" in this context?

Personally, I would do three (3) integrals to complete this assignment:

With appropriate limits...
1) \int\int f(x,y)\;dy\;dx Just to show that we do have a proper probability distribution.
2) \int\int (x+y)\cdot f(x,y)\;dy\;dx To find the Expected Value
3) \int\int (x+y)^{2}\cdot f(x,y)\;dy\;dx To get us on our way to the Variance.

Let's see where that takes you. :-)

Why are we doing 3 integrals? I thought that when we calculate expected value, it is just E(X) or in this case E(X+Y) and that when we calculate variance, we are just doing $E(X^2)-[E(X)]^2$ or in this case Var(X+Y) = Var(X) + 2Cov(X,Y) + Var(Y)? I am honestly not understanding a lot of concepts in my class but I am trying to.
 
Yes, that was what tkhunny said! He suggested you do the first integral just to determine if this is a valid joint probability distribution:
\int_0^{10}\int_0^{10- x} \frac{1}{50} dydx= \frac{1}{50}\int_0^{10} 10- x dx= \frac{1}{50}\left[10x- \frac{1}{2}x^2\right]_0^10= \frac{1}{50}(100- 50)= \frac{50}{50}= 1.

Or, more simply, with 0\le x\le 10 and 0\le y \le 10 we have a 10 by 10 square with area 100. But the probability is non-zero only for x+ y\le 10, the lower triangular half of the square which has area 50. The probability distribution there is the constant 1/50. 50(1/50)= 1. Since the "total probability" is 1 this is a valid joint probability distribution.

The second integral, \int\int (x+ y)f(x, y)dy dx is the expected value of x+ y. That is \frac{1}{50}\int_0^{10}\int_0^{10- x} x+ y dy dx= \frac{1}{50}\int_0^{10}\left[10y- \frac{1}{2}y^2\right]_0^{10- x}dx. Complete that calculation.

The third integral, \frac{1}{50}\int_0^{10}\int_0^{10- x}(x+ y)^2 dy dx, is the "variance".
 
HallsofIvy said:
Yes, that was what tkhunny said! He suggested you do the first integral just to determine if this is a valid joint probability distribution:
\int_0^{10}\int_0^{10- x} \frac{1}{50} dydx= \frac{1}{50}\int_0^{10} 10- x dx= \frac{1}{50}\left[10x- \frac{1}{2}x^2\right]_0^10= \frac{1}{50}(100- 50)= \frac{50}{50}= 1.

Or, more simply, with 0\le x\le 10 and 0\le y \le 10 we have a 10 by 10 square with area 100. But the probability is non-zero only for x+ y\le 10, the lower triangular half of the square which has area 50. The probability distribution there is the constant 1/50. 50(1/50)= 1. Since the "total probability" is 1 this is a valid joint probability distribution.

The second integral, \int\int (x+ y)f(x, y)dy dx is the expected value of x+ y. That is \frac{1}{50}\int_0^{10}\int_0^{10- x} x+ y dy dx= \frac{1}{50}\int_0^{10}\left[10y- \frac{1}{2}y^2\right]_0^{10- x}dx. Complete that calculation.

The third integral, \frac{1}{50}\int_0^{10}\int_0^{10- x}(x+ y)^2 dy dx, is the "variance".

How did you get the limits? I have trouble tying to draw it and know how to see which way of integration would be easier, my calculus is a bit rusty.
 
It's just a triangle. Have you already had multivariable calculus in your studies? You will need it. If you have not studied it, you will have a very difficult time getting through this course.

Integral #1 s/b 1 <== Yea! A valid probability distribution.

Integral #2 s/b Mean, or First Moment

Integral #3 s/b Second Moment. Variance = (Second Moment) - (First Moment)^2

Time to get up to speed!
 

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