Examples where it's Riemann integrable but no derivative exists at pts

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The discussion revolves around identifying examples of functions that are Riemann integrable but lack a derivative at certain points. The scope includes theoretical aspects of integration and differentiation, as well as specific examples illustrating these concepts.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for an example of a function that is Riemann integrable but has no derivative at certain points.
  • Another participant provides the example of the function f(x) = 0 if x ≤ 0 and 1 if x > 0, noting its integrability and lack of derivative at x = 0. They also mention that functions with finite jump discontinuities are Riemann integrable but not differentiable at those points.
  • A different example given is f(x) = |x|, which also lacks a derivative at x = 0.
  • It is noted that both examples have the property that their integral F(x) = ∫ f(t) dt is defined, yet F(x) has no derivative at x = 0.
  • Another participant mentions that there are continuous functions that are Riemann integrable but differentiable nowhere, citing the Dirichlet function as an example.
  • The Weierstrass function is presented as another example of a continuous function that is nowhere differentiable, reinforcing the idea that integrability does not imply differentiability.
  • A participant questions the differentiability of F(x) = ∫_0^x |t| dt at x = 0, suggesting it is differentiable and providing its piecewise definition.
  • Another participant acknowledges this as an error in their earlier statement regarding differentiability at that point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple examples and viewpoints regarding the relationship between Riemann integrability and differentiability. There is no consensus on the differentiability of F(x) = ∫_0^x |t| dt at x = 0, as one participant corrects their earlier claim while another questions it.

Contextual Notes

Some examples rely on specific definitions of continuity and differentiability, and the discussion includes functions with various types of discontinuities. The implications of these properties on integrability are explored but not fully resolved.

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What is an example where it's Riemann integrable int(f(t),t,a,x) but no derivative exists at certain pts?
 
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The function f(x)= 0 if x\le 0, 1 if x> 0 is integrable but has no derivative at x= 0. More generally, if f(x) has finite "jump" discontinuities at some points, it is still Riemann integrable but is not differentiable at those points.
 
or f(x)=\left| x\right|
 
Those two examples also have the property that while F(x)= \int f(t)dt is defined, F(x) itself has no dervative at x= 0.
 
there are functions which are continuous everywhere hence integrable, but differentiable nowhere. perhaps the famous dirichlet function which equals zero at irrationals and 1/q at p/q is even differentiable nowhere. since it is continuous a.e. it is integrable.
 
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An example of a continuous (and hence integrable) function that is nowhere differentiable is the Weierstrass function:
F(x)=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{\sin((n!)^{2}x)}{n!}
 
HallsofIvy said:
Those two examples also have the property that while F(x)= \int f(t)dt is defined, F(x) itself has no dervative at x= 0.

I'm not sure about this. Isn't F(x)= \int_0^x |t|dt differentiable at 0? It is the piecewise function given by F(x)=x^2 for x>0 and F(x)=-x^2 for x>0 and F(0)=0.
 
Yes, you are right. That was an error on my part.
 

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