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The discussion focuses on the irrationality of numbers, specifically addressing the exercise from Alan F. Beardon's "Abstract Algebra and Geometry." The participant demonstrates that both √(2/3) and √3 are irrational by leveraging prime factorization and the properties of integers. The conclusion drawn is that for √(p/q) to be rational, both p and q must be perfect squares, as any common factors would contradict the definition of rational numbers. Additionally, the participant highlights that an irrational number divided by another irrational number does not always yield an irrational result, exemplified by √2/√2 equating to 1.

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Dear all,
I have done question 1 of exercise 2.1 from the book Alan F beardon, Abstract Algebra and Geometry. Please answer some of my doubts.

Q1. a) Show that √(2/3) is irrational. b) Use the prime factorization of integers to show that if √p/q is rational, where p and q are positive integers with no common factors, then p = r^2 and q = s^2 for some integers r and s.

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a) ##\sqrt{2}## is known to be irrational

## \sqrt{3} ## is irrational because 3 is a prime number and its only factors are 1 and 3??
or it can be proved. p/q is the simplest fraction after cancelling common factors. p and q are integers.

##
\sqrt{3} = \frac{p}{q} \\
3 = \frac{p^2}{q^2} \\
3*q^2 = p^2
##

Please check if my observation below is correct??
Observation:
the multiple is 3 on LHS so if q is odd then p will also be odd. if q is even p will also be even. if both p and q were even numbers then p and q are not in their simplest terms therefore it violates ##\sqrt{3}## being a rational number. because ##\sqrt{}## of any number could be written as p/q but in simplest terms. simplest terms means both cannot be even and both cannot be odd. both can be odd if they are prime numbers e.g 7/3 or 9/5 etc..

In the above case, if q is odd (integer or prime number) p will be a odd number also with a factor 3 (because of the multiple 3) therefore it will not be in its simplest form. Therefore, ##\sqrt{3}## is an irrational number??

√2/3 is irrational because √2 and √3 are irrational! but how to prove that an irrational number divided by another irrational number is also irrational?

b) Please check my answer to the second part of the question? I have written in words can anyone translate to math notation?? Thanks..

##\sqrt{PrimeNumber} ## is always irrational because primes only have factors 1 and themself. Any integer number can be broken down into its prime factors. After cancelling all common primes in numerator and denominator. we are left with non-common primes in numerator and denominator. As square root of prime number is always irrational. the irrational numerator and denominator produce an irrational outcome.

so numerator p and denominator q should be squared numbers to produce integer fractions (after square root operation) which are rational.
 

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For part a) an irrational divided by an irrational is not always an irrational. For example, \frac {\sqrt{2}}{\sqrt{2}}=1. Rather than using evenness or oddness, I would use the fact the if 2 divides a^2, then 2 divides a, for a in the integers.

I think you can sharpen up your argument in part b) a little. Just start off with the premise, p and q have no common factors and \sqrt {\frac {p}{q}} \in \mathbb{Q}.
 
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