Expansion of an Ideal gas(molecular thermodyanmics)

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The discussion revolves around the expansion of one mole of a monoatomic ideal gas undergoing a reversible process defined by the relationship P/V = constant. The original poster is tasked with calculating the change in enthalpy, change in internal energy, heat, and work for the process, given specific initial conditions and properties of the gas.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate various thermodynamic properties but struggles with the work calculation due to the specific reversible path condition. Some participants suggest plotting the process on a P-V diagram to visualize the relationship between pressure and volume.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering hints and guidance on how to approach the work calculation. There is a focus on understanding the implications of the P/V = constant condition and how it relates to the work done during the process. Multiple interpretations of the path and its characteristics are being explored.

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The original poster notes uncertainty about whether the problem fits into introductory or advanced physics categories, indicating a potential gap in foundational understanding. The discussion also highlights the challenge of relating the work done to the ideal gas equation under the specified conditions.

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I'm having trouble with harder part of this question.

Homework Statement


One mole of monoatomic ideal gas initially at a pressure of 2.00 bar and temperature of 273 K is taken to a final pressure of 4.00 bar by the reversible path defined by P/V = constant. Calculate the values of Delta(H)(change in enthalpy), Delta(U)(potential energy), q(heat) and w(work). Cv = 12.5 kj*mol^-1*K^-1


Homework Equations


Delta(U) = q + w
Delta(U)= Cv*delta(t)
Delta(H)= Cp*delta(t)
Cv = 12.5 kj*mol^-1*K^-1
Cp = Cv - R
w = -Pext*delta(V)
q = Delta(U) - w
R = .08314 dm^3*bar*mol^-1*K^-1

I'm missing the equation for work in this situation as the reversible path is defined by P/V = constant.


The Attempt at a Solution



I found the change in enthalpy and the potential energy. They are correct, the textbook lists quantitative answers. However, the work is proving difficult as I don't understand the reversible path condition(P/V = constant) and how to relate that the energy of work. I know that it relates in some way to the ideal gas equation of state, but I cannot figure out that way. Thank you, I'm not sure if this should be introductory physics or advanced forum, so I've placed it in both.

What I've calculated so far, all are correct according to the text:

Delta(U) = 10.23 KJ*mol^-1
Delta(H) = 17.01 KJ*mol^-1

V1 = 11.35 dm^3
V2 = 22.7 dm^3
T1 = 273 K
T2 = 1092 K

thanks again
 
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Hint: plot that reversible path on the P(V) diagram. ehild
 
Okay so if i plot this in PV diagram, i see a linear relationship where both P and V get larger wrt each other where the linear fit is P=2V. Alright, now this isn't an isothermal process. I can't see how to relate work without that condition. I know there is PdV, but i don't see the next step i guess.
 
casiobeats said:
Okay so if i plot this in PV diagram, i see a linear relationship where both P and V get larger wrt each other where the linear fit is P=2V.

P=const * V, but the constant is not 2. Find it. You know the pressure and temperature at the initial state, and have calculated that the volume is 11.35 dm^3. What is P/V?

The work is

[tex]W = \int_{V1}^{V2}{PdV}[/tex]

P=const*V. Substitute this for P in the integrand.

ehild
 

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