Expectation of random variable is constant?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conditions for a process to be considered wide sense stationary, specifically focusing on the requirement that the expectation of a random variable, E[X(t)], is constant. Participants explore the implications of this condition and its relevance in different contexts, including modeling stock prices.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, John, questions the necessity of the condition E[X(t)] = constant, suggesting it seems obvious that a random variable at a fixed time would yield a constant expectation.
  • Another participant, Steven, argues that the condition is indeed necessary, providing an example of a stock price that changes due to a stock split, which affects the expectation value.
  • John seeks clarification on whether Steven's example incorporates fixed time and asks about calculating the expectation value of e^t, expressing uncertainty about the absence of a random variable in the expression.
  • Steven responds by indicating that the moment generating function, E[e^xt], can be used to find the expectation, emphasizing that it does involve a random variable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of the condition E[X(t)] = constant, with John questioning its relevance and Steven defending its importance through examples. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the condition.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the interpretation of the condition for wide sense stationarity, and there are unresolved questions about the calculation of expectations involving expressions without explicit random variables.

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hi there.

currently looking at the two conditions that must be met for a process to be wide sense stationary.

The first constion is: E[X(t)] = constant

what exactly does this mean??isn't is obvious that any random variable (with fixed time) will always yield a constant expextation. I thought, for stationary prcesses, we want to try and prove that the random variable at DIFFERENT times yields the same expectation value (i.e. constant expactation).
The above condition seems to be stating the obvious...

Thanks
John
 
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Hi There,

Your sayin that, we are not in need of such a condition to satisfy the stationary concept, in actual fact we are in need of it especially when for example, let's says we are modeling the stock price historically it has been trading around $20 and then all of a sudden a stock split 1:4 occurs which then makes the stock trade at around $5 can you see the difference in the expectations before and after that particular event.

Regards Steven
 
does your example incorporate fixed time??

also - can you tell me what the expectatino value of e^t is??
i.e. - E[ e^t] = ? not sure how to calculate this?

thanks steven
 
just a follow up on my last post:

the reason why I'm not sure how to do this is because the expression does not contain a random variable , therefore how can i get a density function which i need in order to solve my expectation.
E[X] = integral(xfx)dx

where x is my random process and fx is the density function.

thanks
 
Hi there,

of course if your looking at historical figure's then the time must be limited and therefore in a fixed time, in terms of your expectation it is suppose to be E[e^xt] this is the moment generating function which is an alternative to find the expectation to the integral x*f(x)dx. And as you can see
m(t)=E[e^xt]=integral e^xt*f(x) dx does involve the randam variable. To find the expectation E[x]=m'(0).

Regards

Steven
 

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