Expectation value of an operator (not its corresponding observable value)

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The discussion revolves around the concept of expectation values of operators in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the time-derivative of the expectation value of position and the relationship between different notations used for expectation values.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the physical meaning of the expectation value of an operator and how to compute it, questioning the equivalence of different forms of notation.

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Participants have provided clarifications regarding the equivalence of the expectation value notations and have addressed the original poster's confusion about the notation used. There appears to be a productive exchange of ideas, although the thread has been noted as being older.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of an abuse of notation that led to confusion regarding the distinction between \langle Q \rangle and \langle \hat{Q} \rangle. The discussion also hints at the importance of understanding the context of the Hilbert space in quantum mechanics.

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1. Problem statement
This isn't a homework question itself, but is related to one. More specifically, I'm computing the time-derivative of [tex]\langle x \rangle[/tex] using the correspondence principle. One side simplifies to [tex]\left\langle \frac{\hat{p}}{m} \right\rangle[/tex], but what is the physical meaning of this? How does one compute the expectation value of an operator? The concept is alien to me.

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[tex]\langle Q \rangle = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\Psi^* \hat{Q} \Psi \; dx[/tex]
[tex]\langle \hat{Q} \rangle = ?[/tex]
 
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The expectation value of an operator A in a pure quantum state [itex]|\psi\rangle[/itex] is the complex number

[tex]\langle A\rangle_{|\psi\rangle} =\langle \psi|A|\psi\rangle[/tex]
 
dextercioby said:
The expectation value of an operator A in a pure quantum state [itex]|\psi\rangle[/itex] is the complex number

[tex]\langle A\rangle_{|\psi\rangle} =\langle \psi|A|\psi\rangle[/tex]

Well yes, but that's simply the generalized form of the first equation I posted. So what you're saying is that they are the same? [tex]\left\langle \frac{\hat{p}}{m} \right\rangle = m^{-1}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\Psi^*\left(-i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\right)\Psi \; dx[/tex]?
 
That is correct. The generalization doesn't single out the (rigged) Hilbert space. That's the advantage of using abstract bra-ket notation.
 
That makes sense. I mistakenly thought there is a difference between [tex]\langle Q \rangle[/tex] and [tex]\langle \hat{Q} \rangle[/tex], but that may have resulted from an abuse of notation.

Thanks a lot, dextercioby.
 
Actually, what is difference between <Q> and <Q_hat> ?
 
Read the three posts above your post, again. The OP and dextercioby came to the conclusion that there was no difference between the two. The OP's confusion resulted from an abuse or misuse of the notation involved.

Also, this thread is almost 5 years old! If you still have questions on this topic, please start a new thread.
 

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