Expenditure/earning during PhD in Physics

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The discussion revolves around the financial aspects of pursuing a PhD in Physics, including funding sources, living expenses, and the feasibility of completing the degree within a specific timeframe. Participants explore the implications of stipends, scholarships, and the challenges faced by students with families.

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  • Some participants propose that most PhD students receive funding through stipends or scholarships, which can vary significantly by institution and location.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the net expenditure during a PhD, with some suggesting that living costs can be similar to those during undergraduate studies, while others note that expenses may increase due to factors like health care and family needs.
  • Participants express differing views on the possibility of completing a PhD in Physics in three years, with some suggesting it is feasible while others expect a duration of 4-6 years, emphasizing that completion time may depend on various factors beyond intelligence.
  • Concerns are raised about how PhD students with families manage their finances, with suggestions that they often live frugally and may rely on university family housing.
  • One participant questions the feasibility of working part-time during a PhD, highlighting potential visa issues for international students.

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Participants generally agree that funding is common for PhD students, but there is no consensus on the extent of financial support or the average duration required to complete the degree. Multiple competing views exist regarding living expenses and the challenges faced by students with families.

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Participants mention various factors that can influence financial situations, such as the cost of living in different areas, the impact of health care fees, and the lifestyle choices of students. There are also references to the variability in stipends and the financial implications of supporting a family while studying.

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Prospective PhD students in Physics, particularly those considering family obligations or international students navigating visa regulations, may find this discussion relevant.

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Please somebody answer following questions about PhD Physics:
1. I suppose that maximum people's PhD education is funded, is this correct?
2. How much net expenditure one incurs during PhD or how much he earns during PhD studies (I even don't know that one incurs net expenditure or earns money), considering he gets RA or TA work during PhD?
3. I think one can complete PhD Physics even in 3 years duration if he is intelligent and fast enough, is this correct?

Thanks!
 
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Most of the time PhD stundents are given a stipend or scholarship. It will vary from school to school. Some top students with external awards can receive greater than $30k per year, but most are much less than that. Generally, it's enough money to offset tuition, pay for groceries and rent, and maybe the occasional weekend movie, but not much more.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'expenditure one incurs.' If you live the same lifestyle as you did when you were an undergrad, the costs are the same. Some exceptions might be that tuition is waved or offset, and most people who are on their parents' health plans until 25 while a students are suddenly off of those - so you have to start paying out of pocket for things like glassed and dentist visits.

Finally, it's possible to finish in 3 years, but I'm not sure time to finish inversely correlates with intelligence. The process can involve a lot of serendipity. I would expect to spend at least 4-5 years in a PhD program.
 
Choppy said:
Most of the time PhD stundents are given a stipend or scholarship. It will vary from school to school. Some top students with external awards can receive greater than $30k per year, but most are much less than that. Generally, it's enough money to offset tuition, pay for groceries and rent, and maybe the occasional weekend movie, but not much more.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'expenditure one incurs.' If you live the same lifestyle as you did when you were an undergrad, the costs are the same. Some exceptions might be that tuition is waved or offset, and most people who are on their parents' health plans until 25 while a students are suddenly off of those - so you have to start paying out of pocket for things like glassed and dentist visits.

Finally, it's possible to finish in 3 years, but I'm not sure time to finish inversely correlates with intelligence. The process can involve a lot of serendipity. I would expect to spend at least 4-5 years in a PhD program.

Thanks for the reply. It answers my all 3 questions. Please also tell me, if "it's enough money to offset tuition, pay for groceries and rent, and maybe the occasional weekend movie, but not much more." then how do parents doing PhD manage their family expenditure (considering a kid or 2 with parents)? Do they live an austere life?
 
I've seen a few people raise a kid or two on a PhD's salary; they eat cheap food and don't go out much, and often live in the university's family housing because it's cheaper. You can do it, but it can be a stretch. Also, many universities will charge you fees each semester to cover things like health care, library, and gym membership, so keep that in mind - that can come to $3,000 a year, and tends to be the main reason some grad students in the sciences are still taking out loans. Especially if you have a car or kids to support.

If you're including the masters with the PhD, count on 4-8 years to complete (and I've seen smart people take longer as well - it's not so much intelligence as it is the project you choose and how well it goes).
 
arpit2agrawal said:
Please somebody answer following questions about PhD Physics:
1. I suppose that maximum people's PhD education is funded, is this correct?
Yes, most physics PhD students are funded through TA's (1st-2nd year) and RA's later on. The amount will vary from school to school and depends on the cost of living in that area. Expect to live frugally, but you won't starve. I do not have a family of my own, so I can't comment on how easy it is to support a family.

2. How much net expenditure one incurs during PhD or how much he earns during PhD studies (I even don't know that one incurs net expenditure or earns money), considering he gets RA or TA work during PhD?

I live in a high cost of living city with 2 other roommates. I live cheap most of the time. This year, I've managed to save a little bit of money, but I do not count on this happening every year. The universities adjust stipends to be exactly what you need, not a cent more! Expect to break even, as far as income, expenses, and savings go. (i.e. You're not going to be able to start a retirement plan!)
3. I think one can complete PhD Physics even in 3 years duration if he is intelligent and fast enough, is this correct?

Coming from a bachelors program, you should expect to devote 5-6 years to the Ph.D.
 
Thank you guys.
 
I am an Indian computer engineer and will be applying for PhD in Physics in USA. Can I do part-time job in a software company during my PhD in Physics? Will there be any issue with visa and all?
 
It depends on the kind of visa you get. More to the point, if you are trying to get a PhD part time, expect it to take a very long time.
 
Oh, one more thing - grad student stipends are really intended to support only one person, not a family.
 

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