Experimental bound on the scalar spectral index

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The discussion revolves around the scalar spectral index, specifically its bounds as reported in various papers, including those by Visinelli and the Planck team. Participants explore the implications of different confidence levels (68% and 95%) and the potential typographical errors in the equations presented in the literature. The scope includes theoretical interpretations and the analysis of published results.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the citation of the Planck 2013 data by Visinelli, suggesting that the 2015 paper would have been more appropriate given the publication timeline.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of specified bounds for the 95% confidence region in Visinelli's paper, with a request for assistance in locating this information.
  • Multiple participants identify a potential typo in Visinelli's equation, suggesting it should be expressed as ##n_s - 1## instead of ##1 - n_s##, while noting that the impact of this error may not be significant.
  • One participant proposes that the 95% confidence bound can be estimated as approximately twice the 68% confidence bound, based on Gaussian assumptions.
  • Another participant elaborates on the calculation of the 95% confidence interval using the provided 68% confidence interval, suggesting specific bounds for ##n_s## based on standard deviation assumptions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express agreement on the potential typo in the equations and the method for estimating the 95% confidence bound. However, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific source of the 95% confidence bounds and the appropriateness of the citations used in Visinelli's paper.

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There are limitations regarding the clarity of the confidence bounds in the cited papers, and the discussion relies on assumptions about Gaussian distributions for the confidence intervals.

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Based on the paper by Visinelli (https://arxiv.org/abs/1605.06449),

He stated in page 6 that the scalar spectral index as given by the Planck 2013 data (https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.5076) is,

##n_s = 0.9655 \pm 0.0062~~## (##68\%## C.L.)

but when I looked into the Planck 2013 paper, I did not see that constraint, so I tried to read the much later paper by the Planck team which is the Planck 2015 (arxiv.org/abs/1502.02114) and I saw it, also it is very strange for Visinelli to cite the 2013 results given that his paper had been published in 2016, so it makes more sense for him to cite the 2015 paper by the Planck team.

The problem is, he also stated in Figure 1. on page 13 that "the light blue band showed the ##95\%## confidence region" but he did not state any range for it unlike the ##68\%## above. I tried to search for it in the Planck 2013 and 2015 paper but I can't seem to find the range given by the Planck team for the ##95\%## confidence region. Can anyone help me with this?

Also, I noticed that in Visinelli's paper, equation (3.10) seems wrong, I think it should be ##n_s -1## instead of ##1-n_s## since if you try to compute for ##n_s## it would give an answer that is out of the range (far out). Any comment?
 
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The ##1-n_s## looks like a typo to me as well, as all of their other equations on the page put it in terms of ##n_s-1##. But since ##n_s-1 = -(1-n_s)##, the end result won't be that dramatic if it's wrong: you'd get ##n_s = 1.0345## instead of ##n_s = 0.9655##.

I wouldn't worry too much about them using the older result. They were probably working on the paper for a while, and when they started the new results weren't out. Or it could be a simple oversight. Either way, a slight difference in the value and error bars shouldn't make much difference to the results.
 
kimbyd said:
The ##1-n_s## looks like a typo to me as well, as all of their other equations on the page put it in terms of ##n_s-1##. But since ##n_s-1 = -(1-n_s)##, the end result won't be that dramatic if it's wrong: you'd get ##n_s = 1.0345## instead of ##n_s = 0.9655##.

I wouldn't worry too much about them using the older result. They were probably working on the paper for a while, and when they started the new results weren't out. Or it could be a simple oversight. Either way, a slight difference in the value and error bars shouldn't make much difference to the results.
Thanks for that but my question is where to find the ##95\%## C.L. bound for ##n_s##? How did they come up with that if the Planck paper did not mention it?
 
shinobi20 said:
Thanks for that but my question is where to find the ##95\%## C.L. bound for ##n_s##? How did they come up with that if the Planck paper did not mention it?
Why do you need the 95% confidence bound?

In the Gaussian approximation, the 95% confidence bound will be approximately twice the 68% confidence bound. One solution may be to just estimate it yourself using the released data products, but that's a pretty big task to perform.
 
kimbyd said:
In the Gaussian approximation, the 95% confidence bound will be approximately twice the 68% confidence bound.

I don't know what the author actually did, but this does give the result shown in Figure 1 of the paper.

In more detail, assume: 1) Gaussian; 2) ##n_s = 0.9655 \pm 0.0062## (68.27% CL). These assumptions then give that ##0.0062## is one standard deviation, and that the 95.45% CL is given by two standard deviations. Consequently, ##n_s = 0.9655 \pm 0.0124## (95.45% CL), i.e.,

$$0.9531 < n_s < 0.9779,$$

which are the bounds in the figure.
 
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