How do cosmologists view loop quantum cosmology?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the consideration of loop quantum cosmology (LQC) within the cosmological community, particularly in relation to its potential to explain Planck scale physics and its empirical status compared to other theories like string cosmology. Participants explore the implications of recent research and the challenges of establishing LQC as a credible model for understanding the early universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that LQC is considered a serious avenue of investigation, though they express skepticism about its experimental verifiability in the near future.
  • Concerns are raised regarding claims of improved data fits from LQC models, with some participants noting that such improvements are often minimal and fall within experimental margins of error.
  • There is a discussion about the need for multiple independent lines of evidence to support LQC as a valid description of the universe.
  • Comparisons are made between LQC and string cosmology, with some participants indicating that both have similar empirical statuses, though string theory may currently enjoy greater popularity.
  • It is proposed that a viable theory of quantum gravity could enhance understanding of the universe's earliest moments, but its impact may be limited beyond that initial timeframe.
  • Questions are raised about what constitutes "independent lines of evidence" that could support LQC, indicating a desire for clarity on this point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that LQC is a serious area of research but express differing views on its empirical support and the necessity of additional evidence. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the comparative validity of LQC and string cosmology, as well as the specific evidence needed to bolster claims made by LQC proponents.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the current understanding of LQC, particularly regarding its empirical verification and the nature of claims made in recent literature. There are also unresolved questions about the specific types of evidence that could substantiate LQC's claims.

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Quantum Gravity in the Sky: Interplay between fundamental theory and observations
Abhay Ashtekar, Brajesh Gupt
(Submitted on 15 Aug 2016 (v1), last revised 12 Nov 2016 (this version, v2))
Observational missions have provided us with a reliable model of the evolution of the universe starting from the last scattering surface all the way to future infinity. Furthermore given a specific model of inflation, using quantum field theory on curved space-times this history can be pushed \emph{back in time} to the epoch when space-time curvature was some 1062 times that at the horizon of a solar mass black hole! However, to extend the history further back to the Planck regime requires input from quantum gravity. An important aspect of this input is the choice of the background quantum geometry and of the Heisenberg state of cosmological perturbations thereon, motivated by Planck scale physics. This paper introduces first steps in that direction. Specifically we propose two principles that link quantum geometry and Heisenberg uncertainties in the Planck epoch with late time physics and explore in detail the observational consequences of the initial conditions they select. We find that the predicted temperature-temperature (T-T) correlations for scalar modes are indistinguishable from standard inflation at small angular scales even though the initial conditions are now set in the deep Planck regime. However, \emph{there is a specific power suppression at large angular scales}. As a result, the predicted spectrum provides a better fit to the PLANCK mission data than standard inflation, where the initial conditions are set in the general relativity regime. Thus, our proposal brings out a deep interplay between the ultraviolet and the infrared. Finally, the proposal also leads to specific predictions for power suppression at large angular scales also for the (T-E and E-E) correlations involving electric polarization. The PLANCK team is expected to release this data in the coming year.
Comments: Invited article, to appear in CQG. This paper is addressed both to the quantum gravity and cosmology audiences. Cosmologists can focus just on sections I, IV.C, IV.D and V without loss of continuity. 43 pages, 13 figures. Version 2 contains a few clarifications and new references, especially to compare and contrast related results in the literature
Subjects: General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology (gr-qc); Cosmology and Nongalactic Astrophysics (astro-ph.CO); High Energy Physics - Theory (hep-th); Mathematical Physics (math-ph)
Cite as: arXiv:1608.04228 [gr-qc] within the field of cosmology, how seriously do cosmologists consider LQG/LQC theory as a way to understand Planck scale physics of the big bang as outlined in the above paper and similar?
 
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I think it's generally considered to be a serious avenue of investigation, but not one that is likely to be experimentally verifiable anytime soon.

I generally don't take claims seriously like the ones in this paper which claim to provide better fits to the data, as the amount of increased improvement is pretty minimal, and tends to be within the margin of error of the experiment. In order to convince a large number of cosmologists that this model is an accurate description of our universe, they would really need to have a number of independent lines of evidence which all converge on the same picture.
 
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Chalnoth said:
I think it's generally considered to be a serious avenue of investigation, but not one that is likely to be experimentally verifiable anytime soon.

I generally don't take claims seriously like the ones in this paper which claim to provide better fits to the data, as the amount of increased improvement is pretty minimal, and tends to be within the margin of error of the experiment. In order to convince a large number of cosmologists that this model is an accurate description of our universe, they would really need to have a number of independent lines of evidence which all converge on the same picture.

how does the claims compare with string cosmology?

how would having a viable theory of QG improve cosmology?
 
kodama said:
how does the claims compare with string cosmology?
It's fairly similar in terms of its empirical status at the current time. I think string theory is still a little bit more popular, but that's not necessarily a good measure of which is more likely to be true.

kodama said:
how would having a viable theory of QG improve cosmology?
It would likely only have an impact on our understanding of the very earliest moments of our universe. It might provide insight into how our universe began and the precise behavior of that first tiny fraction of a second. But it won't change much beyond that.
 
Chalnoth said:
I think it's generally considered to be a serious avenue of investigation, but not one that is likely to be experimentally verifiable anytime soon.

I generally don't take claims seriously like the ones in this paper which claim to provide better fits to the data, as the amount of increased improvement is pretty minimal, and tends to be within the margin of error of the experiment. In order to convince a large number of cosmologists that this model is an accurate description of our universe, they would really need to have a number of independent lines of evidence which all converge on the same picture.

what are some examples of "a number of independent lines of evidence which all converge on the same picture" as for example loop cosmology?
 

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