Experimental Procedure for Calculating Ksp of PbCl2 at Lab Temperature

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The discussion revolves around the experimental procedure for determining the solubility product constant (Ksp) of lead(II) chloride (PbCl2) at laboratory temperatures, specifically between 22-25 degrees Celsius. Participants explore various methods for achieving equilibrium in the dissolution of PbCl2 and measuring the concentrations of lead and chloride ions to calculate Ksp.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with random amounts of Pb and Cl and waiting for equilibrium before measuring concentrations to solve for Ksp.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the initial proposed procedure, indicating a feeling of missing important steps.
  • A different approach is proposed involving the addition of hydrochloric acid (HCl) to a lead(II) acetate (Pb(OAc)2) solution to observe precipitation, with a focus on determining the amount of precipitate formed.
  • It is suggested that adding chloride as a neutral salt, such as NaCl, to a soluble lead salt could be more appropriate, with emphasis on accurately measuring Cl- and Pb+2 concentrations at various chloride levels.
  • One participant recalls that PbCl2's solubility allows for an alternative method where pure PbCl2 is saturated in water, followed by measuring the residue after drying a known volume of the solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best experimental procedure, with multiple competing methods and uncertainties expressed regarding the initial approach and the necessity of certain steps.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of accurately determining ion concentrations and the potential influence of solution acidity on solubility, indicating that the methods discussed may depend on specific conditions and assumptions.

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What would be an experimental procedure to determine Ksp of PbCl2 at lab temp, I think 22-25 degrees (the reaction being PbCl2 (s) ---> Pb + 2 CL). I am thinking that you'd take random amounts of Pb and Cl and wait for it to reach equilibrium and then somehow figure out how much of each chemical there is and then solve for Ksp (using concentrations of course)
 
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the thing with my little procedure is that it doesn't seem right, it seems like I am missing something important, or what i think the procedure should be doesn't make any sense :S
 
I guess you could take Pb(OAc)2 soln and add HCl to slowly and see how many drops you need to get a ppt.
 
humaders99 said:
the thing with my little procedure is that it doesn't seem right, it seems like I am missing something important, or what i think the procedure should be doesn't make any sense :S

Adding chloride as a neutral salt is more correct since some sparingly soluble chlorides are more soluble in acidic solution. Try an experiment that has you adding NaCl to a solution of a soluble lead salt (PbOAc has been mentioned) a little at a time until a ppt forms. You will need to accurately determine the Cl- and Pb+2 of the solution at the various concentrations of added Cl-. There are gravimetric methods and more sophisticated methods for this such as ICP/MS or ICP. The concentration of these two species should be plotted and their product determined (Ksp) at each concentration.
 
IIRC PbCl2 solubility is high enough to do the expreiment other way around - start with pure PbCl2, let it saturate water, then take known volume of the water, dry it and weight the residue.
 

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