Experimentally determining tire friction coefficient

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the experimental determination of the friction coefficient between tires and road surfaces, focusing on the methodologies used to derive the relationship between longitudinal tire force and longitudinal slip. Participants explore the underlying mechanics, material properties, and empirical approaches involved in this process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the friction coefficient "mu" is determined experimentally through a graph relating longitudinal tire force to longitudinal slip, questioning how engineers initially developed this graph.
  • Another participant inquires about the deformation of tires and whether there is a material property that connects deformation to force.
  • A link is provided to a source describing the measurement of forces and moments on tires using a multi-channel strain gauge sensor mounted at the tire spindle.
  • Participants discuss modeling tires as a spring-damper system, suggesting that known stiffness and deformation could allow for force calculations, although the exact equations for determining the friction coefficient remain unclear.
  • There is a mention of the complexity of the relationship between force and friction coefficient, with one participant comparing it to a simpler scenario involving a block of rubber being dragged across a surface.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of "load range" in testing, noting that variations in load can lead to significant differences in friction measurements between similar tires.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanics of tire deformation and the empirical methods for determining friction coefficients. There is no consensus on the specific equations or models used, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact relationship between tire deformation and force.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of the equations and relationships involved in calculating the friction coefficient, as well as the dependence on specific material properties and testing conditions.

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In a recent lecture,I learned that the friction coefficient "mu" between the tire and road surface is determined experimentally by using a graph. i.e a graph between the longitudinal tire force and the longitudinal slip. Well,how did engineers emperically arrive at such a graph in the first place?

I know that longitudinal slip is a function of the vehicle velocity and wheel longitudinal velocity.I guess it is easy to estimate. But,how could the longitudinal tire force be estimated? The lecture slides say that this could be made possible "... by measuring the tire profile deformation,from which the information of the potential transferred forces are determined." The connection on the relations is not quite clear.

Any ideas and experiences would be appreciated.
 
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How does the tire deform?
Is there a material property that could relate the deformation to a force?
 
http://www.vmi-group.com/tire/products/tire-and-compound-testing/force-and-moment-testing/:

«The forces & moments acting on the tire are measured through a multi-channel strain gauge sensor mounted at the tire spindle.»

vmi_tire_testing_force_moment1.jpg
 
Simon Bridge said:
How does the tire deform?
Is there a material property that could relate the deformation to a force?
I do know that automotive engineers model a tyre as a combination of a spring+damper system, except that the spring+damper(s) are spread out along the circumference of the tyre.

Since the stiffness of the tyre rubber material and the deformation(from experiment) are known,I guess one could calculate a force acting on the tyre. This force being longitudinal like a traction force is hard to imagine to me. I still don't quite know what equations they use to find the friction coefficient in the end.
 
marellasunny said:
Since the stiffness of the tyre rubber material and the deformation(from experiment) are known,I guess one could calculate a force acting on the tyre. This force being longitudinal like a traction force is hard to imagine to me. I still don't quite know what equations they use to find the friction coefficient in the end.
It's not going to be a simple relationship... in practice, the calculations are done using a machine.

In principle it is much the same process as the exercise where you have a block of rubber sitting on a surface and you drag something across the top surface.
 
You also have to factor in "load range" since testing is usually done within the range on a "per tire" basis meaning that you could have two nearly identically tires show drastically different friction because one has a different load range and was tested with "more weight" against the friction surface.
 

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