How Do We Calculate the Weight of Celestial Bodies in the Solar System?

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The discussion focuses on methods for calculating the weight of celestial bodies within the solar system, exploring theoretical and observational approaches. Participants discuss gravitational effects, orbital mechanics, and related mathematical representations.

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  • One participant suggests that the weight of celestial bodies can be determined by observing the acceleration of objects as they approach a planet, linking this to the planet's gravitational pull and mass.
  • Another participant elaborates on using Kepler's 3rd Law, providing a formula to calculate the mass of a planet based on the orbital period and radius of a satellite, noting that the satellite's mass should be negligible compared to the planet's mass.
  • A further contribution mentions that once the mass is known, the size can be observed to compute density, which may help infer the body's composition.
  • One participant introduces Newton's law of gravitation, presenting the formula for gravitational force and its relation to mass and distance, and connects it to Kepler's laws of planetary motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods of calculating celestial weights through gravitational observations and orbital mechanics, but there are multiple approaches discussed without a consensus on the best method.

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Some assumptions regarding the negligible mass of satellites in relation to the celestial bodies are noted, as well as the simplifications in the methods discussed. The discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in different orbital configurations or the implications of eccentric orbits.

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Figuring out the weight of celestial bodies in the solar system, please.

Algebra-representations also requested.

Oh, politeness. Um... please?
 
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This is mostly done by just observing the rate at which things accelerate when approaching a planet. This tells us the gravitational "pull" of the planet, which is a direct function of its mass.
 
More specifically, monitor the orbital period, T, and orbital radius, d, of a small moon or satellite, around a planet of mass, M, and use Kepler's 3rd Law:
M = (4pi^2/G)(d^3/T^2)
(Caveat: the orbital mass must be relatively negligible campared to the gravitating body).
It is universal, so you can also find the sun's mass using a planet's orbit.
Launch a satellite around Earth and use the same eqn. to get the Earth's mass. The ratio of orbital radius cubed to orbital period squared will be approx. constant for any satellite about earth.
If the orbit is eccentric, the same eqn. applies if you simply substitute the semi-major axis for radius d.
This is rather simplistic and there are other methods but this is enough to get you started.
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And once you know the mass, and you can observe the size, then you can compute the density, and you can make some good guesses as to the composition.
 
Celestial mechanics

Newton's universal law of gravitation is:

F :: Force between two bodies. (in Newtons)

M :: Mass of larger body

m :: Mass of smaller body

r :: Distance beween centers of mass of two bodies

G :: 6.674 e-11 N*m2*kg -2


F =
GMm / r2

Kepler's three laws of planetary motion can be derived from Newton's law of gravitation and his laws of motion.

Kepler's third law gives:

T :: Period (in sec)

r :: Distance (between centers)

C :: (Kepler's constant; G * mass of body being orbited)

T2 = C*r3.


 

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