Explaining derivative graphically

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The discussion revolves around understanding the graphical representation of derivatives, specifically how the slope of the derivative function relates to the tangent line of the original function. Participants explore the relationship between the function \(f(x) = x^2\) and its derivative \(f'(x) = 2x\), focusing on how to find the point on the original function that corresponds to a given slope from the derivative.

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  • One participant describes how the derivative at a specific x-value represents the slope of the tangent line at that point on the original function.
  • Another participant explains how to find the equation of the tangent line using the slope from the derivative and the corresponding point on the original function.
  • A participant confirms their understanding of the relationship between the derivative and the tangent line, noting that the y-coordinate of the derivative function indicates the slope at the corresponding point on the original function.
  • There is a discussion about different methods to express the equation of the tangent line, with participants agreeing that various formulas can be used, including the point-slope formula and the slope-intercept form.

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Participants generally agree on the relationship between the derivative and the tangent line, but there is no explicit consensus on a preferred method for expressing the tangent line equation, as different approaches are mentioned.

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The discussion does not resolve any potential ambiguities regarding the choice of methods for deriving the tangent line equation or the implications of using different formulas.

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Here is f(x) = x^2:

YT7CF.png


And the derivative of it (2x):

seDFz.png


So each point on the slope of the derivative is supposed to represent the slope of the line tangent at a certain point on the original function.

Say I choose an x-value on the derivative 1, so the point on the line would be (1,2).

Where on the original function would this be the represented slope of? As I understand it, the x-value 1 corresponds with a slope of 2, the x-value 2 corresponds with a slope of 4, etc. but how do I find the point on the original function where these are the slopes of?
 
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daigo said:
Here is f(x) = x^2:

YT7CF.png


And the derivative of it (2x):

seDFz.png


So each point on the slope of the derivative is supposed to represent the slope of the line tangent at a certain point on the original function.

Say I choose an x-value on the derivative 1, so the point on the line would be (1,2).

Where on the original function would this be the represented slope of? As I understand it, the x-value 1 corresponds with a slope of 2, the x-value 2 corresponds with a slope of 4, etc. but how do I find the point on the original function where these are the slopes of?

You have \(f(x)=x^2\), and \(f'(x)=2x\), so when \(x=1\) the slope of the tangent is \(f'(1)=2\), so the tangent at \(x=1\) is a line of the form:
\[y=2x+c\]
where the value of \(c\) can be determined as we know that \(y=f(1)=1^2=1\) is the y-coordinate of the point on the curve where \(x=1\). Hence \((1,1)\) is on the tangent, using this we get:
\[1=2+c \Rightarrow\ c=-1\]
so the tangent to the curve at the point where \(x=1\) is \(y=2x-1\).

CB
 
Good explanation CB, thanks. I believe I understand now.

At the point (x,f(x)) the slope is f'(x) evaluated and the y-coordinate of derivative function is the slope of the line tangent at the point (x,f(x)) in the original function, and the entire equation of the line (not just the slope) is represented by what you explained. Is how I am understanding it. Also you can use the point-slope formula to determine the line, right?
 
daigo said:
Also you can use the point-slope formula to determine the line, right?

You can use any formula you want for the straight line. I personally use exclusively the $y=mx+b$ equation.
 
daigo said:
... Also you can use the point-slope formula to determine the line, right?

As Ackbach says, you can use whatever method you are most comfortable with or is more convenient, so yes.
 

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