Explaining Gravity for Non-Physicists

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of gravity, particularly in the context of theoretical proposals and conceptual understandings. Participants explore various interpretations of gravity, including critiques of existing theories and speculative ideas about the fabric of space-time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant provocatively claims that gravity does not exist, referencing a specific paper.
  • Another participant compares the concept of gravity to the breakdown of water into fundamental particles, suggesting that current proposals, like Verlinde's, are still in a speculative phase.
  • Verlinde's reputation as a respected string theorist is acknowledged, though some participants note that his ideas are met with skepticism from peers, particularly regarding the simplicity of the mathematics used in his paper.
  • A participant mentions criticisms of the entropic picture of gravity, suggesting it may be seen as coincidental rather than a fundamental aspect of physics.
  • One participant introduces a speculative idea about the "fabric" of space-time potentially having surface tension, questioning whether this could explain the illusion of gravity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of gravity, with some supporting Verlinde's ideas while others critique them. There is no consensus on the validity of these theories or the nature of gravity itself, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on interpretations of theoretical proposals and may depend on specific definitions of gravity. The discussion includes unresolved critiques and speculative ideas that have not been fully explored or validated.

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can someone please explain this like i don't have 3 Ph.D.s and 2 Masters in theoretical physics... not that's i don't have those *cough* *cough*
Gravity doesn't exist!
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1001/1001.0785v1.pdf
 
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Just like water doesn't exist if you break it into smaller and smaller parts - only protons and electrons do. However, Verlinde's proposal is very sketchy, so it's just a proposal at the moment.
 
Verlinde is a well respected string theorist, but is taking a bit of flake from his pears over that paper :biggrin:

I like it though. However, it is somewhat sketchy as atyy has stated.

One of the criticism I seen in the science blogs, from his pears, was the high school math used in the paper. Not really a proper criticism, unlike some others, as far as I'm concerned, but I'm not sure where to start to answer your question. Don't even know whether to start with the big picture or the specifics of the paper. The general notion is somewhat common to many different models.
 
Here's real criticism "Faced with these diffculties one may be tempted to abandon the entropic picture of gravity as a mere coincidence, perhaps stemming from consistent dimensional analysis." http://arxiv.org/abs/1003.1998
 
atyy said:
Here's real criticism "Faced with these diffculties one may be tempted to abandon the entropic picture of gravity as a mere coincidence, perhaps stemming from consistent dimensional analysis." http://arxiv.org/abs/1003.1998

Ooh, thanks! New paper for me :-p


Not sure how I could have missed that one
 
heres a quandry: space is described as a "fabric" that is destorted by the mass of an object. is it possible that the "fabric of space/time" has a surface tension? and that's what the illusion of gravity actually is?
sorry if this is a REALLY dumb thought, but I am new to physics and its something that has been rattling around for a few months and i can't get anyone to address this.
 

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