Explaining Time Homogeneous Lagrangian and Hamiltonian Conservation

AI Thread Summary
If the Lagrangian is time-homogeneous, the Hamiltonian is indeed a conserved quantity, as indicated by the condition ∂L/∂t = 0. This means that in systems where the Lagrangian does not explicitly depend on time, the Hamiltonian represents a constant of motion. A common example is the simple harmonic oscillator, where the Hamiltonian corresponds to the total energy of the system, combining kinetic and potential energy. The discussion also touches on deriving Hamilton's equations to further validate this relationship. Understanding these principles is crucial for analyzing dynamic systems in classical mechanics.
eman2009
Messages
32
Reaction score
0
if the lagrangian is time homogenous ,the hamiltonian is a constant of the motion .
Is this statement correct ?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
if \frac{\partial L}{\partial t}=0 then the hamiltonian is a conserved quantity. So yes. If the lagrangian doesn't explicitly depend on time, H is conserved.
 
can you give me example ?
 
well, the typical situation (where your coordinates are somewhat normal (ie, can be related somehow to the cartesian coordinate system in a time independent fashion) then the hamiltonian is the energy of the system.

ie, simple harmonic oscillator:

L=T-U= 1/2 m x'^2 - 1/2 k x^2

where m is the mass, k is the spring constant, the first term is the kinetic energy (1/2 m v^2) and the second term is the potential (1/2 k x^2)

in this case H=T+U = Kinetic Energy + Potential Energy = Total Energy = Constant
 
Mandatory exercise: Derive Hamilton's equations and prove the result.
 
how we can explain the differential of lagrangian is a perfect ?L dt
 
Consider an extremely long and perfectly calibrated scale. A car with a mass of 1000 kg is placed on it, and the scale registers this weight accurately. Now, suppose the car begins to move, reaching very high speeds. Neglecting air resistance and rolling friction, if the car attains, for example, a velocity of 500 km/h, will the scale still indicate a weight corresponding to 1000 kg, or will the measured value decrease as a result of the motion? In a second scenario, imagine a person with a...
Thread 'Gauss' law seems to imply instantaneous electric field propagation'
Imagine a charged sphere at the origin connected through an open switch to a vertical grounded wire. We wish to find an expression for the horizontal component of the electric field at a distance ##\mathbf{r}## from the sphere as it discharges. By using the Lorenz gauge condition: $$\nabla \cdot \mathbf{A} + \frac{1}{c^2}\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial t}=0\tag{1}$$ we find the following retarded solutions to the Maxwell equations If we assume that...
Dear all, in an encounter of an infamous claim by Gerlich and Tscheuschner that the Greenhouse effect is inconsistent with the 2nd law of thermodynamics I came to a simple thought experiment which I wanted to share with you to check my understanding and brush up my knowledge. The thought experiment I tried to calculate through is as follows. I have a sphere (1) with radius ##r##, acting like a black body at a temperature of exactly ##T_1 = 500 K##. With Stefan-Boltzmann you can calculate...
Back
Top