What are the hamilton equations of motion for homogeneous lagrangians?

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on the Hamilton equations of motion for homogeneous Lagrangians, specifically those that are homogeneous in the velocities \(\dot{x}^k\) to the first degree. It establishes that the conventional Hamiltonian vanishes, leading to the definition of an alternative conjugate momentum \(y_j = L \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}^j}\). This allows for the velocities to be expressed as \(\dot{x}^i = \phi^{i}(x^k, y_k)\), resulting in a Hamiltonian defined as \(H(x^k, y_k) = L(x^k, \phi^{k}(x^l, y_l))\). The discussion concludes with the derivation of one half of the Hamilton equations of motion, \(\dot{x}^i = H \frac{\partial H}{\partial y_i\), while raising a question about the term \(\dot{y}_i\).

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Lagrangian mechanics
  • Familiarity with Hamiltonian dynamics
  • Knowledge of conjugate momenta
  • Proficiency in calculus, particularly partial derivatives
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the derivation of the Hamilton-Jacobi equation
  • Explore the implications of homogeneous Lagrangians in classical mechanics
  • Investigate the complete Hamilton equations of motion
  • Learn about the relationship between Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formulations
USEFUL FOR

The discussion is beneficial for physicists, particularly those specializing in classical mechanics, as well as students and researchers interested in advanced dynamics and the mathematical foundations of physics.

pellman
Messages
683
Reaction score
6
For a Lagrangian [itex]L(x^k,\dot{x}^k)[/itex] which is homogeneous in the [itex]\dot{x}^k[/itex] in the first degree, the usual Hamiltonian vanishes identically. Instead an alternative conjugate momenta is defined as

[itex]y_j=L\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}^j}[/itex]

which can then be inverted to give the velocities as a function of the position and momenta

[itex]\dot{x}^i=\phi^{i}(x^k,y_k)[/itex]

The Hamiltonian is then equal to the Lagrangian with the velocities replaced with this function

[itex]H(x^k,y_k)=L(x^k,\phi^{k}(x^l,y_l))[/itex]

We then find that

[itex]\dot{x}^i=H\frac{\partial H}{\partial y_i}[/itex]

which is one half of the Hamilton equations of motion. But what about [itex]\dot{y}_i[/itex]?

I am following Hanno Rund The Hamilton-Jacobi equation in the Calculus of Variations. But Rund moves on from this point to the H-J equation, leaving me wondering about this question.
 
Physics news on Phys.org


I found the answer to this
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K