Explaining universe based on purpose/source

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The discussion centers on the existence of the universe and its potential purpose, drawing from Paul Davies' "Goldilocks Enigma." Participants explore various explanations, including the multiverse theory, intelligent design, and the possibility of a simulated universe, while questioning the validity of the "fine-tuned" argument for intelligent life. Some argue that the universe's characteristics may not be as finely tuned as believed, suggesting evolution as a possible explanation for its properties. The conversation highlights the complexity of linking creation sources—such as space/time, God, or advanced civilizations—to specific purposes, emphasizing that many proposed answers may not satisfactorily reduce the number of unknowns. Ultimately, the discussion reflects a blend of cosmological inquiry and philosophical debate about existence and purpose.
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jimjohnson said:
Is this response an opinion? Many scientist support the anthropic principle which has life as a purpose.
That's just completely false. The anthropic principle says nothing even close to that.

The anthropic principle, in the form it is generally used by scientists, is just a selection effect: it says that the only sort of universe observers will ever observe is one where they can exist. For example, intelligent observers will never observe themselves living on an uninhabitable planet, because if it were uninhabitable, they couldn't survive there.

This is the way the anthropic principle is used within science, and it is the only way that it is even a coherent statement.
 
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You are quoting the weak principle. The "final" principle states "intelligence must develop wihin the universe and then never die out." Also, the strong principle "the universe must have the properties for life..." This is purpose.
 
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jimjohnson said:
You are quoting the weak principle. The "final" principle states "intelligence must develop wihin the universe and then never die out." Also, the strong principle "the universe must have the properties for life..." This is purpose.
Yeah, you won't find any significant support for that within the scientific community. A good summary of what most scientists think of this sort of thing can be summed up by the last sentence in the Wikipedia page on the subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_anthropic_principle
Martin Gardner dubbed FAP the "completely ridiculous anthropic principle" (CRAP).
 

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