Explicit demonstration of a measurement interaction

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The discussion revolves around the measurement interaction in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the implications of an exponential of a tensor product operator in the context of an initial unentangled state and its evolution through a measurement process. Participants are exploring the relationship between the operators involved and the resulting states after interaction.

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  • Participants are examining the time-evolution operator and its effects on the initial state of the system. There are discussions about the implications of the measurement interaction and how it leads to entangled states. Questions are raised about the interpretation of expectation values and the meaning of the measurement of ##Q^{(2)}## in relation to the initial state of the object.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing different perspectives on the measurement interaction and its consequences. Some participants suggest keeping time finite to simplify the analysis, while others question how the operators relate to the measurements being discussed. There is no explicit consensus, but various lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants are working under the assumption of pure states and are considering the implications of the measurement process on the correlation between different quantum states. The complexity of the operators involved and their commutation relations are also under scrutiny.

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Ballentine asks us the question at the end of this post. I am unclear on how to proceed because of the exponential of a tensor product operator.

My work:

We note from the outset that ##c## is unitless, as is obvious on dimensional grounds.

Suppose we have some initial, unentangled state (we assume pure states). The initial state of the object is some superposition of position states, of course.
$$\ket{\Psi_0} = \ket{\psi_0} \otimes \ket{\alpha},$$
where ##\ket{\alpha} = \int dx \, \alpha(x) \ket{x}## denotes a preparatory state of the apparatus and ##\ket{\psi_0} = \int dx\, \psi_0(x) \ket{x}## is the initial state of the object. We note that the time-development operator is given by
$$U(t) = e^{-i\int dt\, H(t)/\hbar} = e^{-icQ^{(1)}P^{(2)}\int dt\, \delta(t)/\hbar} = e^{-icQ^{(1)}P^{(2)}/\hbar}.$$
We now consider the measurement interaction:
$$\ket{\Psi_0} = \ket{\psi_0} \otimes \ket{\alpha} \to \ket{\Psi_f} = e^{-icQ^{(1)}P^{(2)}/\hbar}\ket{\psi_0} \otimes \ket{\alpha} = \int dx \int dx' \, \psi_0(x) \alpha(x') \left[ e^{-icQ^{(1)}P^{(2)}/\hbar} \ket{x} \otimes \ket{x'} \right]$$
$$ = \int dx \int dx' \, \psi_0(x) \alpha(x') \sum_{n = 0}^\infty \frac{1}{n!} \left[(-icQ^{(1)}P^{(2)}/\hbar)^n \ket{x} \otimes \ket{x'} \right]$$
$$= \int dx \int dx' \, \psi_0(x) \alpha(x') \sum_{n = 0}^\infty \frac{1}{n!} \left(\frac{-ic}{\hbar} \right)^n \left((Q^{(1)})^n \ket{x}\right) \otimes \left((P^{(2)})^n \ket{x'}\right) $$
$$= \int dx \int dx' \, \psi_0(x) \alpha(x') \sum_{n = 0}^\infty \frac{1}{n!}\left(\frac{-icx}{\hbar} \right)^n \ket{x} \otimes \left((P^{(2)})^n \ket{x'}\right) $$
$$\stackrel{(1)}{=} \int dx \int dx' \, \psi_0(x) \alpha(x') \ket{x} \otimes \left(\sum_{n = 0}^\infty \frac{1}{n!}\left(\frac{-icx}{\hbar}P^{(2)} \right)^n \ket{x'}\right)$$
$$ = \int dx \int dx' \, \psi_0(x) \alpha(x') \ket{x} \otimes \left(e^{\frac{-icx}{\hbar}P^{(2)}} \ket{x'}\right)$$
$$ = \int dx\, \psi_0(x) \ket{x}\otimes \left(\int dx' \, e^{\frac{-icx}{\hbar}P^{(2)}} \ket{x'}\alpha(x')\right)$$
$$ = \int dx\, \psi_0(x) \ket{x}\otimes \left(\int dx' \, e^{\frac{-icx}{\hbar}P^{(2)}} \ket{x'}\bra{x'}\ket{\alpha}\right)$$
$$\int dx\, \psi_0(x) \ket{x}\otimes \left( e^{\frac{-icx}{\hbar}P^{(2)}}\ket{\alpha}\right)$$
$$ \equiv \int dx\, \psi_0(x) \ket{x}\otimes \left( T^{(2)}(cx)\ket{\alpha}\right),$$
where in (1) we use the linearity of the tensor product and where in the last equality we have identified the translation operator.

Now let's consider computing ##\expec{Q^{(1)}Q^{(2)}}## on the post-interaction state (this expectation value is related to the correlation coefficient and has been the proxy which Ballentine uses for correlation). We obtain
$$\expec{Q^{(1)}Q^{(2)}} = \left[ \int dx'\, \psi^*_0(x') \bra{x'}\otimes \left( \bra{\alpha}T^{(2)}(-cx')\right)\right]Q^{(1)}Q^{(2)} \left[ \int dx\, \psi_0(x) \ket{x}\otimes \left( T^{(2)}(cx)\ket{\alpha}\right)\right]$$
$$ \stackrel{(1)}{=} \int dx \, x|\psi^*_0(x)|^2 \bra{\alpha}T^{(2)}(-cx)Q^{(2)}T^{(2)}(cx)\ket{\alpha}$$
where in (1) we've used the inner product definition on a tensor product space and ##\braxket{x'}{Q^{(1)}}{x} = x\delta(x-x')##.

But this doesn't seem to be what Ballentine wants in the end. What does he mean by the "value of ##Q^{(2)}##? I also can't see where to go past where I've gotten to. If anyone can help out I'd greatly appreciate it.

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I think, it's easier to keep the time finite. The interaction operator is simple since the operator at different times commute. Thus the time-evolution operator of states in the interaction picture simply is (with ##t_0<0## to avoid trouble with the ##\delta## distribution)
$$\hat{C}(t,t_0)=exp \left (-\mathrm{i} \int_{0}^t \mathrm{d} t' \hat{H}_I(t')/\hbar \right ) = \exp[-\mathrm{i} c \hat{Q}^{(1)} \hat{P}^{(2)}/\hbar \Theta(t)].$$
Low you can set ##t>0## and just evaluate
$$|q^{(1)},q^{(2)},t \rangle=\exp(-\mathrm{i} c \hat{Q}^{(1)} \hat{P}^{(2)}/\hbar) |q^{(1)},q^{(2)},0 \rangle,$$
and then use the result to calculate the "asymptotic free state"
$$|\Psi' \rangle =\int_{q^{(1)},q^{(2)}} \mathrm{d} q^{(1)} \mathrm{d} q^{(2)} \exp(-\mathrm{i} c \hat{Q}^{(1)} \hat{P}^{(2)}/\hbar) |q^{(1)},q^{(2)},0 \rangle \langle q^{(1)},q^{(2)},0|\Psi_0 \rangle.$$
 
vanhees71 said:
I think, it's easier to keep the time finite. The interaction operator is simple since the operator at different times commute. Thus the time-evolution operator of states in the interaction picture simply is (with ##t_0<0## to avoid trouble with the ##\delta## distribution)
$$\hat{C}(t,t_0)=exp \left (-\mathrm{i} \int_{0}^t \mathrm{d} t' \hat{H}_I(t')/\hbar \right ) = \exp[-\mathrm{i} c \hat{Q}^{(1)} \hat{P}^{(2)}/\hbar \Theta(t)].$$
Low you can set ##t>0## and just evaluate
$$|q^{(1)},q^{(2)},t \rangle=\exp(-\mathrm{i} c \hat{Q}^{(1)} \hat{P}^{(2)}/\hbar) |q^{(1)},q^{(2)},0 \rangle,$$
and then use the result to calculate the "asymptotic free state"
$$|\Psi' \rangle =\int_{q^{(1)},q^{(2)}} \mathrm{d} q^{(1)} \mathrm{d} q^{(2)} \exp(-\mathrm{i} c \hat{Q}^{(1)} \hat{P}^{(2)}/\hbar) |q^{(1)},q^{(2)},0 \rangle \langle q^{(1)},q^{(2)},0|\Psi_0 \rangle.$$
Perhaps I don't follow, but isn't your last line more or less what I've given in my last line? Would you be able to comment on how ##Q^2## now provides a measurement of the initial state of the object's position ##Q^2## beforehand?
 
May be, I'm not sure. What should come out is an entangled state between the particle and the detector such that a measurement of ##Q^{(2)}## (reading of the pointer position) leads to a measurement of ##Q^{(1)}## (position of the particle). So you should calculate the state after the interaction and discuss.
 

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