Explore Level Curves of $f(x,y)=x^3-x$

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of the level curves defined by the function $f(x,y)=x^3-x$ as the constant $c$ varies. Participants explore the implications of different values of $c$ on the shape and nature of the level curves, including cases where $c$ is positive, negative, or zero.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the level curves are defined by the equation $x^3-x=c$ and identifies specific cases for $c=0$, leading to the lines $x=0$, $x=1$, and $x=-1$.
  • Another participant suggests plotting the function $x^3-x$ to visualize the intersections of horizontal lines $y=c$ with the curve, implying that this could aid in understanding the behavior of the level curves.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about whether to consider cases for $c$ (specifically $c=0$, $c<0$, and $c>0$) and how to determine the sets of level curves for these cases.
  • One participant explains that the level curves can be represented as $L_c=\{(x,y)\mid x^3-x=c\}$ and discusses the implications of the cubic polynomial's roots on the number of level curves, noting that it can have three real simple roots, one real simple root with a double root, or one real simple root with two non-real roots.
  • Questions are raised about the behavior of the level curves in relation to the number of roots, particularly what occurs when there are three roots, a double root, or non-real roots, and how this relates to the graph of $f$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty and explore multiple viewpoints regarding how to analyze the level curves based on different values of $c$. There is no consensus on the best approach to describe the behavior of the level curves.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the dependence of their conclusions on the nature of the roots of the polynomial $x^3-x-c$, which may vary with different values of $c$. The discussion highlights the complexity of analyzing the level curves without resolving the mathematical implications of the roots.

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Hey! :o

I have to describe the behaviour, while c is changing, of the level curve $f(x,y)=c$ for the function $f(x,y)=x^3-x$.

I have done the following:

The level curves are defined by $$\{(x,y)\mid x^3-x=c\}$$

For $c=0$ we have that the set consists of the lines $x=0,x=1,x=-1$.

Is it correct so far?? (Wondering)

How could we continue ?? What can we say about the other values if $c$?? Which is the set when $c$ is positiv and which when $c$ is negative?? (Wondering)
 
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Hi,

Plot $x^3-x$.

Geometrically, what you are doing is drawing a vertical line $x=whatever$ at the intersection points of an horizontal line $y=c$ with the curve $y=x^3-x$.

You will got as many vertical lines as intersection points you have with the horizontal one, taking a look at the plot you can easily figure out what happens, and then try to describe it analitically (if needed).
 
I got stuck right now...

Do I not have to take cases for $c$ ($c=0$, $c<0$, $c>0$) and find which the set of level curves is described?? (Wondering)

Or am I supposed to do something else?? (Wondering)
 
The level curves are defined by the set $L_c=\{(x,y)\mid x^3-x=c\}$.

The function $f(x,y)$ depends only on $x$. So, if $(x_0,y_0)\in L_c$, then $(x_0, y)\in L_c, \forall y\in \mathbb{R}$.

Therefore, each level set $\{f(x,y)=c\}$ is the union of the lines $\{x=x_0\}$ in the plane, where $x_0$ belongs to the set of roots of $f(x,y)-c=x^3-x-c$.

Since this a cubic polynomial, depending on the value of $c$, it can have three real simple roots, one real simple root and one real double root or one real simple root and two non-real roots, right? (Wondering)
Do we describe in that way the behaviour of the level curve? (Wondering) When the polynomial has three roots does the level curve consist of three lines? (Wondering)

What happens when the polynomial has a double root? (Wondering)

And what happens when it has non-real roots? (Wondering) Also what information do we get for the graph of $f$ ? (Wondering)
 

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