Exploring Kurtosis: The Role of 4th Central Moment & Variance

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The discussion centers around the concept of kurtosis in statistics, specifically its definition as the fourth central moment divided by the square of the variance. Participants explore the significance of this formulation and the role of both the fourth central moment and the variance in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the use of the standardized fourth central moment and its relationship to the square of the variance.
  • One participant states that moments exist based on definition and notes that the fourth moment is equal to the square of the second moment, suggesting a lack of utility for the fourth moment.
  • Another participant asserts that dividing by the square of the variance makes the expression non-dimensional, providing a formal definition of the nth moment.
  • There is a mention of a paper suggesting that the fourth central moment may not have much utility due to its sensitivity to sample size.
  • One participant acknowledges a previous incorrect assertion regarding the relationship between variance and kurtosis, indicating a complexity in their relationship.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the utility and significance of the fourth central moment and its relationship to variance. There is no consensus on the role of these statistical measures, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the utility of the fourth central moment and its sensitivity to sample size, as well as the non-dimensional nature of the kurtosis expression.

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I'm studying on statistics.
Then, I saw 'Kurtosis', that represents 'peakness' of the distribution.

In the text, the kurtosis is defined as 4-th central moment devided by square of variance.
But, I can't understand why the standized 4-th central moment is used.
What is the role of the square of variance? or 4-th central moment?

Please answer this problem.
Thanks.
 
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Chriszz said:
I'm studying on statistics.
Then, I saw 'Kurtosis', that represents 'peakness' of the distribution.

In the text, the kurtosis is defined as 4-th central moment devided by square of variance.
But, I can't understand why the standized 4-th central moment is used.
What is the role of the square of variance? or 4-th central moment?

Please answer this problem.
Thanks.

It's not a matter of utility, Moments simply exist based on the definition. The kth central moment of a distribution is simply based on (X-\mu)^{k}. It's easy to see that the fourth moment is equal to the second moment squared. I personally haven't had much use for the 4th moment, but I can't deny its existence.

http://www.ugrad.math.ubc.ca/coursedoc/math101/notes/moreApps/moments.html

http://www.spcforexcel.com/are-skewness-and-kurtosis-useful-statistics

In terms of utility, sort of like the fourth derivative I guess.
 
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SW VandeCarr said:
It's not a matter of utility, Moments simply exist based on the definition. The kth central moment of a distribution is simply based on (X-\mu)^{k}. It's easy to see that the fourth moment is equal to the second moment squared.

In terms of utility, sort of like the fourth derivative I guess.

Both assertions are incorrect.

As far as Chriszz's original question, dividing by the square of the variance makes the expression non-dimensional.
 
mathman said:
Both assertions are incorrect.

As far as Chriszz's original question, dividing by the square of the variance makes the expression non-dimensional.

I did attach citations. A formal definition of the nth moment is M_n=\int_a^b x^n f(x)dx. I was trying to keep things transparent. The OP asked about the utility of the fourth central moment. I provided a paper that suggests it doesn't have much utility (very sensitive to sample size etc).

Its true that the calculated values of the variance and kurtosis of a given distribution would not have the same relationship to each other as the individual deviations, so I'm wrong to suggest that.

The reference to the fourth derivative was just a comment on its utility as I've not seen it much in applications. I wasn't referring to any mathematical connections between the fourth moment and the fourth derivative.
 
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