Qualitative meaning of central moments higher than 4th order

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The discussion focuses on the qualitative meaning of central moments higher than the fourth order, exploring whether these moments can provide insights into the characteristics of distributions, particularly in detecting "bumpy" distributions that may be symmetric. Participants examine the implications of higher-order moments and their potential applications in statistical analysis.

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  • Daniel questions the qualitative meaning of higher central moments (5th, 6th, etc.) and their ability to detect distributions that are "bumpy" yet symmetric.
  • Some participants suggest investigating the effects of higher moments by plotting statistical distributions with specific moment values to visualize their impact.
  • One participant mentions the use of moment-generating functions and the relationship between moments and distribution functions through inverse Fourier transforms.
  • Another participant introduces harmonic analysis as a potential framework for understanding moments as components of orthogonal functions, emphasizing the complexity of this approach.
  • It is noted that high-order moments generally lack clear intuitive interpretations compared to lower-order moments, with odd-order moments relating to asymmetry and even-order moments to spread due to tails.

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Participants express varying degrees of uncertainty regarding the qualitative interpretations of higher-order moments, with no consensus reached on their meanings or applications. The discussion remains exploratory and open-ended.

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Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of moments and the unresolved mathematical steps related to deriving distributions from moments.

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The qualitative meaning of central moments up to 4th order (mean, variance, skewness, and kurtosis) is well documented and explained in literature. I am posting this question because I am interested to know if any of the higher moments (5th, 6th, and so on) has some clear qualitative meaning as well.

In particular, I am wondering if any of the high-order moments (or some combination of these) could be perhaps well-suited to detect a distribution that is a bit "bumpy" (compared for example, to a normal distribution) but possibly symmetric.

Thank you,
Daniel
 
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It's a good question - one I also have wondered about on occasion. It led me to the idea that we could investigate this by finding plotting the statistical distributions that have certain moments and seeing what they look like. For instance, comparing the distributions whose central moments are all zero except for the first five being (0,1,0,0,0) for one and (0,1,0,0,1) for the other would give an idea of what effect the fifth moment had. We could do the same comparison with distributions that had nonzero 3rd and/or 4th moments to see what interaction there was with those.

Like you I wondered whether some of the higher moments might generate bumps - local maxima and minima.

What's needed then is a recipe to derive the pdf of a distribution from its moments. That's where I ran out of enthusiasm. But perhaps there are better resources available for this now. This note looks like it gives two alternative recipes.
 
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Hey dgrosel.

Building on what mathman said, the Fourier transform has a very good intuitive interpretation based on the spectrum interpretation of the transform itself.

It might also help you to think of looking at the moments as if they were components of orthogonal functions (which is studied in Harmonic Analysis).

Usually when you want to make sense of functions (the MGF is a function) you can use techniques in harmonic analysis to break the function down like it was a vector (like you do with basis elements and project the initial vector to the different basis vectors except that a function is now a vector in an infinite dimensional space).

One can do this with a specific distribution (like Normal) or in general and what it can show is the kind of information contributed when a particular "basis vector" is involved.

The theory of harmonic analysis is different when the interval is finite versus infinite and the infinite type is when Wavelets are involved.

It can be quite involved but it's the only general approach that I can think of that can be utilized for such a general question.
 
High-order moments (about the mean), in general, don't have clear "intuitive" interpretations in the way that variance and skewness do. In general, because higher moments involve increasing powers, they place greater and greater emphasis on the tails. Higher moments of odd-order, for example, measure how much of the asymmetry in the distribution is caused by differences in the tails, while higher moment sof even order measure how much of the spread is due to the tails.
 

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