Discussion Overview
The discussion centers on the availability and nature of non-academic research jobs for graduates in applied mathematics and engineering, particularly in government or national labs. Participants explore the types of roles available, the skills required, and the work environment, including the use of computers and hands-on work.
Discussion Character
- Debate/contested
- Exploratory
- Technical explanation
Main Points Raised
- Some participants question the assumption that jobs in national labs or industry do not involve having a boss, highlighting the hierarchical structure present in such organizations.
- There is a concern expressed about the feasibility of finding a job that does not involve computers, hands-on work, or experiments, with some arguing that such positions may not exist.
- Participants discuss potential career paths for those interested in applied mathematics and physics, including computational fluid dynamics and modeling for defense contractors, but emphasize that these roles typically require programming skills.
- One participant expresses a preference for statistical work, inquiring whether statisticians use less programming than those in applied math research, but is informed that statisticians also engage heavily in programming.
- There is a recurring theme that modern quantitative disciplines, including mathematical modeling, heavily rely on computer usage, which is seen as an integral part of the job.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants generally disagree on the nature of job roles in national labs and industry, particularly regarding the presence of bosses and the necessity of programming skills. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the possibility of finding suitable jobs that align with the expressed preferences of avoiding computers and hands-on work.
Contextual Notes
Participants express varying assumptions about job roles, the importance of programming, and the nature of work in applied mathematics and engineering fields. There is a lack of consensus on the feasibility of finding jobs that meet specific preferences for work environments and responsibilities.