Exploring the Limit of $\frac{1}{x} \int_0^x (1-tan2t)^{\frac{1}{t}}dt$

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression $\frac{1}{x} \int_0^x (1-\tan(2t))^{\frac{1}{t}} dt$ as $x$ approaches 0. Participants explore various methods for tackling this limit, including integration techniques and the application of l'Hôpital's rule.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using integration by parts but expresses uncertainty about how to choose $u$ and $v$.
  • Another participant proposes rewriting the limit and applying l'Hôpital's rule, although they express doubt about its correctness.
  • A later reply confirms the application of l'Hôpital's rule and acknowledges the simplicity of differentiating the integral.
  • One participant calculates the limit after applying l'Hôpital's rule and concludes that it approaches 1, but this is challenged by another participant.
  • Another participant points out that the expression leads to the indeterminate form $1^{\infty}$ and provides a different evaluation that results in $e^{-2}$.
  • One participant humorously admits to a mistake in their reasoning regarding the limit approaching $1^0$.
  • Another participant suggests that taking the integral first might simplify the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement regarding the evaluation of the limit, with some participants supporting the conclusion of $1$ and others asserting that it should be $e^{-2}$. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

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Participants express uncertainty about the appropriate methods to apply and the implications of different forms encountered during the limit evaluation. The discussion includes various assumptions about the behavior of the functions involved as $x$ approaches 0.

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\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{1}{x} \int_0^x {(1-tan2t)}^{\frac{1}{t}} dt

and nevermind the { in front of the 0, i couldn't figure out how to take it out, its my first time posting

I can't figure out how to start attacking this problem, do I have to intregrate by parts? if so what do I use as u and v.
I tried thinking of any identities that could help but nothing came to mind.

Any help will be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance.

Evaluating it with maple gives e^{-2}

Admin note: pesky { removed. Click the latex image to see its code.[/color]
 
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Well, you could re-write it as:
\lim_{x\rightarrow 0} \frac{ \int_0^x {(1-tan2t)}^{\frac{1}{t}} dt}{x}
And then apply l'Hopital's rule.

No clue if that's the right way to go, and I'm too lazy to check.
 
you would apply lhopital, take the limit and then diifferentiate?
 
oh damn just as i was writing this message i figured out how to apply lhopital , so simple but it escaped by grasp, its just a differentiation of an integral, thanks so much
 
\lim_{x\rightarrow 0} \frac{ \int_0^x {(1-tan2t)}^{\frac{1}{t}} dt}{x}
Take the derivatives of the top and bottom:
\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{(1-tan(2x))^{\frac{1}{x}}}{1}
\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} (1 - \tan (2x))^{\frac{1}{x}}

But now, the expression inside the parens goes to 1 since \tan(0)=0 and the exponent should also tend to bring things to 1, so the limit should be 1.
 
This is wrong, Nate G!
You've got the indeterminate form 1^{\infty}
we have:
\lim_{x\to0}(1-tan(2x))^{\frac{1}{x}}=e^{\lim_{x\to0}\frac{ln(1-tan(2x))}{x}}
=e^{\lim_{x\to0}\frac{-2x}{x}}=e^{-2}
 
arildno said:
This is wrong, Nate G!
You've got the indeterminate form 1^{\infty}
we have:
\lim_{x\to0}(1-tan(2x))^{\frac{1}{x}}=e^{\lim_{x\to0}\frac{ln(1-tan(2x))}{x}}
=e^{\lim_{x\to0}\frac{-2x}{x}}=e^{-2}

Stupid brain...for some strange reason I thought it was going to 1^0. <Puts on pointy hat with donkey ears.>
 
just take the integral first then it will be real easy to do this question
 

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