Exploring the Possibility of a W-(or W+) Boson Possessing Charge

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The discussion centers on the properties of W bosons, specifically whether they possess a charge and how that charge interacts with magnetic fields. Participants explore the implications of charged bosons, their behavior in magnetic fields, and the coupling of W bosons to photons, blending concepts from quantum mechanics and classical physics.

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  • Some participants assert that W bosons possess charge and would deflect in a magnetic field if they were long-lived enough.
  • Others question the nature of charge in bosons, suggesting that while they carry charge, the implications of multiple charges occupying the same point in space need clarification.
  • A participant notes that the Pauli exclusion principle does not prevent charged bosons from occupying the same state, attributing restrictions to spin rather than charge.
  • There is a discussion about the coupling of W bosons to photons and whether photons couple to magnetic fields, with some participants emphasizing the need to reconcile classical and quantum mechanical perspectives.
  • One participant highlights that photons do not couple directly to each other but can interact indirectly through quantum corrections, complicating the understanding of their interactions with W bosons.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of charge in W bosons and their interactions with magnetic fields. There is no consensus on the implications of these properties, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants mix classical and quantum mechanical reasoning, which may lead to confusion regarding the treatment of fields and particles. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties about the interactions of charged bosons and the implications of their properties.

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does the w- (or w+) boson actually possesses a negative charge? i.e., would it deflect in a magnetic field like an electron? or does it just carry a negative charge?

i'm trying to come to grips with a boson possessing charge at all. if that were the case, an infinite number of negative charges could occupy the same point in space.
 
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Yes they do possesses a charge and would be deflected if they were long lived enough. Please note that the direct coupling photon-W is in the terms
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from wikipedia

Also, please note that this is not the sole example : the gluon possesses a color charge and gluons do accumulate over volumes in which the strong force acts ... strongly.
 
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billbray said:
does the w- (or w+) boson actually possesses a negative charge? i.e., would it deflect in a magnetic field like an electron?
Similar to an electron. Similar because the coupling depends on the g-factor which is different.

billbray said:
or does it just carry a negative charge?
No particle can carry charge w/o coupling to an electric or magnetic field

billbray said:
i'm trying to come to grips with a boson possessing charge at all. if that were the case, an infinite number of negative charges could occupy the same point in space.
The Pauli principle does not forbid electrons to occupy one single state because of their charge but because of their spin. Charged bosons will not occupy one single point in space, but this has nothing to do with the Pauli principle or the spin, but it is a result of the (repulsive) electric force. This force is present w/ and w/o spin. The Pauli principle does not act like a force.
 
b.e.a. utiful gentlemen, thanks
 
p.s. - am i to understand from the above equation that thw w+/- boson couples to a photon? or does the photon couple to a magnetic field?
 
Now it becomes difficult. You are mixing classical an quantum mechanical reasoning.

Talking about coupling of electrons to magnetic field one treats the electron as a quantum particle, whereas the magnetic field is treated as classical field. The same context applies to my answer regadrding the coupling of a W-boson to a magnetic field.

But of course we know that photons are the quanta of the electromagnetic field. So when you are talking about the coupling of a photon to a magnetic field then in principle one must get rid of the concept of classical fields and talk about coupling of photons to photons.

In electromagnetism and in QED photons do not couple to photons directly. That means a photon is a neutral particle and does not feel the presence of another photon. But due to quantum corrections which are suppressed and hardly measurable photons can couple indirectly to other photons.

From the two interaction terms of the electro-weak Lagrangian you can read off the direct coupling: you have to multiply out all terms and check all terms containing at least one photon field. The first Lagrangian contains third powers of the gauge fields, the second Lagrangian contains forth powers. All terms containing at least one photon plus two or three other fields indicate that the photon couples to these other fields.

So the first interaction term (with third powers) contains terms where one photon field couples to a pair of W-bosons. In the second term it looks like if there are terms with fourth powers of the photon field, but if everything is right these terms should cancel. That means that photons do never couple directly to photons alone but only together with other gauge fields.
 

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