Exploring the Quantum Theory of Magnetism: From Sum to Integral

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The discussion revolves around the transition from a double sum to a double integral in the context of quantum magnetism, specifically addressing the mathematical justification for this transition and the limits involved. Participants explore the implications of integral limits and their equivalence in different contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the justification for transitioning from a double sum to a double integral, referencing a specific equation.
  • Another participant suggests that the transition is based on the limit definition of an integral, applicable to double integrals as well.
  • A participant raises a question about the choice of integral limits, specifically why they are set from zero to \(2\pi\) instead of \(0\) to \(4\pi\), proposing that both should yield equivalent results when appropriately scaled.
  • Some participants express the belief that integrating over \(4\pi\) and dividing by \(16\pi^2\) should be equivalent to integrating over \(2\pi\) and dividing by \(4\pi^2\), seeking confirmation of this equivalence.
  • There is a query regarding the transition from a specific sum involving logarithmic terms to an integral, indicating uncertainty about the process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of the integral limits and the equivalence of different scaling factors in the integrals. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of these mathematical transitions.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached consensus on the validity of the assumptions regarding the limits of integration or the equivalence of the proposed integral forms. The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of mathematical definitions and conditions.

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For some reason, there was no page 266 for me. But anyway, it's because of the limit definition of an integral, which works for double integrals just as it does a single integral. A nice overview of this can be found here.
 
danielu13 said:
For some reason, there was no page 266 for me. But anyway, it's because of the limit definition of an integral, which works for double integrals just as it does a single integral. A nice overview of this can be found here.

Why integrals are from zero to ##2\pi##. Why not
##\rightarrow \frac{1}{16\pi^2}\int^{4\pi}_0\int^{4\pi}_0...##
 
I believe both of those should be equal; if you take the integral at 4\pi and then divide by 16\pi^2, it should be equal to taking the integral at 2\pi and dividing by 4\pi^2, correct?
 
danielu13 said:
I believe both of those should be equal; if you take the integral at 4\pi and then divide by 16\pi^2, it should be equal to taking the integral at 2\pi and dividing by 4\pi^2, correct?

So you said that I can go from sum to integral in the way

\rightarrow \frac{1}{a^2}\int^{a}_0\int^{a}_0...?
 
danielu13 said:
I believe both of those should be equal; if you take the integral at 4\pi and then divide by 16\pi^2, it should be equal to taking the integral at 2\pi and dividing by 4\pi^2, correct?
Well look for example ##lim_{N\to \infty}\frac{1}{N}\sum_{q_1,q_2)ln(q_1-2\pi)##. Is it the same? How I go from that sum to integral?
 
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