Is a Bounded Set Always Finite or Can It Go to Infinity?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of bounded sets in mathematics, particularly in relation to whether bounded sets can be infinite and the implications of being open or closed. Participants explore definitions and properties of boundedness, boundaries, and the nature of sets in various contexts.

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  • Some participants propose that a bounded set is not synonymous with a set that goes to infinity, clarifying that boundedness simply means being contained within some limits.
  • Others argue that a set can be bounded even if it contains an infinite number of members, providing examples of sets that are bounded above and/or below.
  • A participant highlights that the concept of boundedness does not imply the existence of a boundary in the traditional sense, questioning the terminology used.
  • There is a suggestion that a set can be unbounded without necessarily going to infinity, raising further questions about the nature of bounds.
  • Some participants clarify that finite sets are always bounded, while infinite sets can be either bounded or unbounded depending on their properties.
  • A later reply introduces the question of whether sets of complex numbers can be bounded, adding another layer to the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between boundedness and the concept of going to infinity. While some agree on the definitions of bounded and unbounded sets, there remains uncertainty regarding the implications of these definitions, particularly in relation to boundaries and the nature of infinite sets.

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Limitations in the discussion include varying interpretations of boundedness, the implications of being open or closed, and the definitions of upper and lower bounds. Some participants express confusion over terminology, indicating that the language used may not clearly convey the mathematical concepts involved.

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Is a bounded set synonymous to a set that goes to infinity? I feel like unless a set is
(-infinity, n) or [n, infinity) it is not going to be unbounded.

The other thing that I was wondering is can a set be neither open nor closed AND unbounded? Doesn't the definition of open/closed imply that there is a boundary?

Thanks!
 
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A set being bounded just means it is contained in some ball. Boundedness isn't really related to being open or closed, and also has nothing to do with boundary.
 
Is a bounded set synonymous to a set that goes to infinity?

No and furthermore the bound does not even have to be a member of the set.

A set can have lots of bounds, even an infinite number of them.

A bound can be 'above' or 'below'.

An upper bound is simply a real number that is either greater than or equal to every member of the set or less than/equalto every member of the set.

so 7,8,9,10 etc all form upper bounds to the set {2,3,4,5,6} ; none are memebrs of the set.
but wait 6 also forms an upper bound as it satisfies the equal to and is a member.

Similarly 1,0,-1,-2 all form lower bounds that are not members and 2 forms a lower bound that is

Sets which 'go to infinity' are unbounded. However a set can contain an infinite number of members and still be bounded, above and/or below.

for example the set {1/1, 1/2, 1/3, ...} is bounded above by 2 ,1 etc and bounded below by 0, -1 etc, but contains an infinite number of members.

The set \{ - \infty ,... - 2, - 1,0,1,\frac{1}{2},\frac{1}{3},...\}

is not bounded below but is bounded above.

If a set has both a lower and upper bound so that the modulus of any member, x, is less than or equal to some real number K then the set is bounded. (No upper or lower)

If for any x \in S there exists a K such that

\left| x \right| \le K

The set S is bounded.

Hope this helps.
 
"bounded" does not mean "has a boundary"

Isn't English confusing?
 
So I guess what I'm really wondering is can a set be unbounded if it doesn't go to infinity? That's what I can't seem to wrap my brain around, because I feel that if a set doesn't go to infinity, there will always be a real number K larger than the members of the set.
 
Any finite set S of real numbers is bounded.
Infinite sets can be bounded or unbounded.

Remember that to be bounded a set must have both a lower bound and an upper bound.
Sets with only a lower or upper bound are unbounded.

A further question for you to ponder:

Can a set of complex numbers be bounded?
 
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