Exponential Decay function in NMR

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The discussion revolves around understanding the exponential decay function in the context of Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR) and transverse relaxation. Participants are exploring how to determine the number of oscillations before the transverse magnetization (Mxy) decays to approximately one-third of its initial value, given a Larmor frequency of 100 MHz and a T2 relaxation time of 100 ms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the Larmor frequency and the exponential decay function, questioning how to incorporate frequency into their calculations. There is uncertainty regarding whether to focus on Fd(t) or Mxy in their attempts. Some participants suggest calculating the time when Fd(t) reaches one-third of its initial value and how to derive the number of oscillations from that time.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, including the relationship between the frequency and the period of oscillation. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations needed to find the time elapsed for the decay and how that relates to the number of oscillations. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the time elapsed for Fd(t) to decrease to one-third is not explicitly provided in the problem statement, leading to further questions about how to derive this time from the given parameters.

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Homework Statement



How many oscillations occur before Mxy decays to approximately 1/3 of its initial value, for a Larmor frequency of 100 MHz and T2 of 100ms?

Homework Equations



I was learning about how NMR works and about transverse relaxation.
According to what I learned, we can express transverse relaxation with cosine, sine, complex number and exponential decay function (Fd(t)=exp(-t/T2)).
Thus, Mxy(t)= lMxy(t)l Fd(t)exp(-i(wt)).

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not sure where to put Larmor frequency in the formula. Are we trying to determine Fd(t) or Mxy?

If I assume that we are determining Fd(t) which is the exponential decay function, then I would do the following:
Set Fd(t)=100 MHz and t=100ms. Then, calculate for T2. From what I heard in the lecture, the answer should be 10^7 which I'm not getting.

Any help would be appreciated!
 
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Bubble22 said:

Homework Statement



How many oscillations occur before Mxy decays to approximately 1/3 of its initial value, for a Larmor frequency of 100 MHz and T2 of 100ms?

Homework Equations



I was learning about how NMR works and about transverse relaxation.
According to what I learned, we can express transverse relaxation with cosine, sine, complex number and exponential decay function (Fd(t)=exp(-t/T2)).
Thus, Mxy(t)= lMxy(t)l Fd(t)exp(-i(wt)).

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not sure where to put Larmor frequency in the formula. Are we trying to determine Fd(t) or Mxy?

If I assume that we are determining Fd(t) which is the exponential decay function, then I would do the following:
Set Fd(t)=100 MHz and t=100ms. Then, calculate for T2. From what I heard in the lecture, the answer should be 10^7 which I'm not getting.

Any help would be appreciated!

You need the time elapsed when Fd(t) decreases to one third of its initial value, that is, Fd(t)/Fd(0)=1/3. If you know the time you can calculate the number of oscillation from the period.

ehild
 
ehild said:
You need the time elapsed when Fd(t) decreases to one third of its initial value, that is, Fd(t)/Fd(0)=1/3. If you know the time you can calculate the number of oscillation from the period.

ehild
I'm still lost..
The time elapsed was not given in the question, but how would you approach to calculate the number of oscillation from the period if the time was given? We are eventually calculating for Mxy(t)?
 
Mxy(t) is a product of an exponentially decreasing function |Mxy| Fd(t) and a periodic function exp(-iwt). I quess |Mxy| is a constant, independent of t.

Fd(t)=exp(-t/T2). T2 was given, T2=100 ms. Fd(0)=1. What is t if Fd(t)=1/3?

The period T is the time of a complete oscillation. The number of periods in one second is the frequency f, so T=1/f. f was given as 100 MHz, that means 105 oscillations in one second.
You get the time T1/3 needed for the amplitude to decrease 1/3 of its initial value from exp(-T1/3/T2)=1/3. How many oscillations are performed during that time?

ehild
 
ehild said:
Mxy(t) is a product of an exponentially decreasing function |Mxy| Fd(t) and a periodic function exp(-iwt). I quess |Mxy| is a constant, independent of t.

Fd(t)=exp(-t/T2). T2 was given, T2=100 ms. Fd(0)=1. What is t if Fd(t)=1/3?

The period T is the time of a complete oscillation. The number of periods in one second is the frequency f, so T=1/f. f was given as 100 MHz, that means 105 oscillations in one second.
You get the time T1/3 needed for the amplitude to decrease 1/3 of its initial value from exp(-T1/3/T2)=1/3. How many oscillations are performed during that time?

ehild


Thanks for explaining it for me. Just to clear things up, I want to confirm my understanding:
105 oscillations/sec. How many oscillations per 109 sec? (I got 109 by calculating Fd(t)=1/3).

105 oscillations : 1 second = x oscillations : 109 seconds
x = 1.09 x 107 oscillations

Then this is why the prof said ~ 107 in the class. Correct?
 
I made a mistake, 100 MHz = 108 oscillation per one second, or 105 oscillations per one millisecond (ms).
You calculated the time needed to decrease the amplitude in milliseconds: it was 109 ms.
The method and the result is correct at the end.

ehild
 
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