Expositions of why theoretical attempts failed

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The discussion centers on the reasons behind the failure of various theoretical attempts in physics, exploring the nature of these failures and the contexts in which they occurred. Participants reflect on historical examples, such as Einstein's cosmological constant, and consider the implications of labeling theories as "failed." The conversation includes theoretical, conceptual, and historical perspectives.

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  • Some participants suggest that theories often fail due to encountering experimental facts or logical inconsistencies that prevent further development.
  • Others argue that Einstein's introduction of the cosmological constant was a response to the desire for a static universe, which later evolved as new experimental evidence emerged.
  • A participant questions the meaning of "failure" in the context of theoretical attempts, suggesting that failure may not be a straightforward concept and may vary in its manifestation.
  • Another participant outlines different scenarios in which a theory might be considered to have failed, including lack of publication, published critiques, or straightforward identification of problems based on current knowledge.
  • There is a mention of Feynman's path integral approach, which was deemed a failure in its original intent but later proved valuable in unexpected ways.
  • A participant notes that while significant unifying theories are rare, many theories today serve to explain specific behaviors within limited contexts.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of theoretical failure, with no consensus on a definitive understanding of what constitutes a failure in theoretical physics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications and interpretations of these failures.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of defining "failure" in theoretical physics, noting that the context of each theoretical attempt can vary significantly. There is an acknowledgment of the limitations in understanding the historical and conceptual nuances of these failures.

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Are there expositions of why various theoretical attempts by prominent physicists failed? - or is it mostly the case that they told people they were making such attempts and never published anything?

For example in the thread: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/on-the-relation-between-physics-and-philosophy.982427/

vanhees71 said:
From the time on when Einstein lost interest in phenomenological approaches, even his genius couldn't discover new laws. As with his soulmate Schrödinger, all his as well as Schrödinger's sophisticated attempts to invent a "generalized field theory" failed.

Edit: For that example, perhaps there are papers like: https://www.nature.com/articles/167648a0 although I can't access it and probably wouldn't understand it if I could.
 
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Isn’t it usually because some idea/theory ran up against an experimental fact or logical absurdity that it couldn’t continue further.

Look what Einstein did with the cosmological constant. Mathematically it wasn’t a necessary addition to his GR equations but then Einstein felt the universe was static and so added the constant. Later it was discovered that the universe was expanding so then the constant was removed and then it was added back to cover dark energy which is an example of an experimental truth reshaping the theory.

edited post to reflect @vanhees71 correction below.https://www.space.com/9593-einstein-biggest-blunder-turns.html
 
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It was the other way around. Einstein found out that with ##\Lambda=0## there are no static universes and thought about how to "cure this shortcoming" and found out that nothing hinders the introduction of ##\Lambda##, which from Hilbert's approach with the action principle is completely natural (as you could also add further terms, which however are subleading in an expansion in terms of energy scales; see Weinberg, Gravitation and Cosmology for the detailed argument). What Einstein did not see at the first attempt was that his static universe is unstable anyway.

Today we consider the cosmological constant (a) necessary, because the Hubble expansion is found to be accelerating instead of decelerating, which can be achieved within GR only with a cosmological constant and (b) the greatest enigma in contemporary physics, because it's by about 100 orders of magnitude smaller than one would expect from the renormalization of the vacuum of the Standard Model of elementary-particle physics, i.e., one needs fine-tuning in the subtraction of this "vacuum energy".
 
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Can you explain what "failed" means? It seems to be "tried something that ended up not working", but is this failure? Perhaps more to the point, do you expect common features among things that don't work? “All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.”
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Can you explain what "failed" means? It seems to be "tried something that ended up not working", but is this failure? Perhaps more to the point, do you expect common features among things that don't work? “All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.”

If that question is addressed to me, I am indeed referring to passages in articles that say a theory was attempted and ended up not working. Authors often used the word "failed" in that context. I don't assume such attempts aren't worthy or informative. I also don't assume the failure was made manifest in the same way. For example, revelation of the not-working aspect could occur in various ways:

1) The scientist told others about work on the theory but never got it to the stage of publication

2) The scientist published versions of the theory and other people published papers pointing out problems with it.

3) The scientist published versions of the theory, but from the perspective of current knowledge, it is straightforward to show the theory has problems - i.e. it's failure is something that would be explained in a textbook but not remarkable enough to publish in a journal.

As a reader, it's my wish that authors who write that a theory failed, would give also a hint about which of the above happened.

For example, from lecture notes: http://hitoshi.berkeley.edu/221A/pathintegral.pdf

You will see that Feynman invented the path integral with the hope of replacing quantum field theory with particle quantum mechanics; he failed. But the path integral survived and did mighty good in the way he didn’t imagine.

I don't "see" how the path integral "failed" in those complicated notes. Am I supposed to?
 
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1) Is rare.
2 & 3) Happen all the time.

The great theory that swallows up all theories thabe have come before it is a rare beat indeed - you see this once every century maybe. What theories do today is explain or describe behavior in a limited range of validity, or a special case, or (fairly rarely) show how a family of theories with a set of inputs behave.
 
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