Extrema points, function of three variable

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of the function $f(x,y,z) = (ax^{2} + by^{2} + cz^{2})e^{-x^{2}-y^{2}-z^{2}}$ with respect to its extrema points in the context of multivariable calculus. Participants explore the conditions under which local maxima, minima, and saddle points occur, as well as the necessary derivative tests for functions of three variables.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the function has two local maxima, one local minimum, and four saddle points under the condition $a>b>c>0$.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the formatting of the mathematical expressions for better readability.
  • A participant discusses the necessity of calculating third-order derivatives and questions whether a third derivative test is required for functions of three variables.
  • There is mention of finding critical points by setting the first partial derivatives to zero and a reference to a method for determining the nature of these critical points using second derivatives.
  • One participant elaborates on the representation of the first and second derivatives of a function of three variables, introducing concepts of gradient vectors and Hessian matrices.
  • The discussion includes the complexity of determining the nature of critical points in three dimensions, emphasizing the need to identify all eigenvalues of the second derivative matrix to classify points as minima, maxima, or saddle points.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of third-order derivatives and the complexity of classifying critical points in three dimensions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to analyze the extrema of the function.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of the second derivative test in three dimensions, noting that the determinant of the Hessian matrix alone does not suffice to determine the nature of critical points without considering the eigenvalues.

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"Show that if a>b>c>0, then the function $f(x,y,z) = (ax^{2} + by^{2} + cz^{2})e^{-x^{2}-y^{2}-z^{2}}$ has two local maxima, one local minima, and four saddle points"
 
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Your Latex isn't rendering and has tons of unnecessary code. Can you clean it up to make it more readable please?
 
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What I have done is taken derivatives of the partials in the first and second order, do i need to do third order (fxxx, fxxy, fxxz, fxyy etc?) i know the second derivative test for function of two variables, but for three variables? do ineed third derivative test? how does it work, is there another test? what determinants do i need to take
 
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What I have done is taken derivatives of the partials in the first and second order, do i need to do third order (fxxx, fxxy, fxxz, fxyy etc?) i know the second derivative test for function of two variables, but for three variables? do ineed third derivative test? how does it work, is there another test? what determinants do i need to take

First, find the points where $\displaystyle f_x,\ f_y,\ f_z$ vanish. These are the critical points. To find the nature of the critical points, use the method explained in http://www.math.northwestern.edu/~clark/232/handouts/max-2deriv.pdf.
 
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In the strictest sense, the "derivative" of a function of three variables, f(x,y,z), at (x_0, y_0, z_0), is the linear function, from R^3 to R, U(x,y,z)= f_{x}(x_0,y_0,z_0)(x- x_0)+ f_y(x_0, y_0, z_0)(y- y_0)+ f_z(x_0,y_0,z_0)(z- z_0) which we can think of as the vector dot product <f_x(x_0, y_0,z_0), f_y(x_0,y_0,z_0), f_z(x_0, y_0, z_0)>\cdot<(x- x_0, y-y_0, z-z_0> and so can be "represented" by the gradient vector <f_x(x_0, y_0,z_0), f_y(x_0, y_0, z_0), f_z(x_0, y_0, z_0)>.

In that same sense, the second derivative of a function of three variables is the linear function from R^3 to the set of such gradient vectors which are themselves in R^3 which can be represented by the three by three matrix:
\begin{bmatrix}f_{xx} & f_{xy} & f_{xz} \\ f_{yx} & f_{yy} & f_{yz} \\ f_{zx} & f_{zy} & f_{zz}\end{bmatrix}

Now, because the mixed derivatives are equal: f_{xy}= f_{yx}, f_{yz}= f_{zy}, and f_{xz}= f_{zx}, that is a symmetric matrix which means it is diagonalizable. That is, there exist some coordinates system, x', y', z', in which all mixed derivatives are 0 and the matrix is
\begin{bmatrix}f_{x'x'} & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & f_{y'y'} & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & f_{z'z'}\end{bmatrix}
where those second derivatives, f_{x'x'}, f_{y'y'}, f_{z'z'}, evaluated at (x_0, y_0, z_0) are the eigenvalues of the matrix.

And that, in turn, means that in that coordinate system we can write
f(x&#039;,y&#039;,z&#039;)= f(x_0,y_0, z_0)+ f_{x&#039;x&quot;}(x&#039;- x_0)^2+ f_{y&#039;y&#039;}(y&#039;- y_0)^2+ f_{z&#039;z&#039;}(z&#039;- z_0)^2 Now we can see: if all of those eigenvalues are positive, (x-0, y_0, z_0)[/tex] is a minimum, if all negative, a minimum, if some positive and some negative then a saddle point. Now, if this were <b>two</b> variables, x and y, say, our matrix would be 2 by 2:<br /> \begin{bmatrix}f_{xx} &amp;amp; f_{xy} \\ f_{yx} &amp;amp; f_{zz}\end{bmatrix}<br /> or, in the x&#039;, y&#039;, z&#039; coordinate system in which it is diagonal,<br /> \begin{bmatrix}f_{x&amp;#039;x&amp;#039;} &amp;amp; 0 \\ 0 &amp;amp; f_{y&amp;#039;y&amp;#039;}\end{bmatrix}<br /> Notice that that last matrix has determinant f_{x&amp;#039;x&amp;#039;}f_{y&amp;#039;y&amp;#039;} and so is positive if and only if f_{x&amp;#039;x&amp;#039;} and f_{y&amp;#039;y&amp;#039;} have the same sign and negative if and only if they have different sign. But the determinant is independent of the coordinate system so we can say that f has a saddle point if and only if f_{xx}f_{yy}- f_{xy}^2&amp;lt; 0 and a max or min if it is positive (in that case f_{xx} and f_{yy} must have the same sign so you can check either to see whether it is a max or min). <br /> <br /> Unfortunately, it isn&#039;t that easy with three variables. If the determinant is positive, it might be that all three eigenvalues are positive (so a minimum) or that one is positive and the other two negative (a saddle point) or if the determinant is negative, it might be that all three eigenvaues are negative (so a maximum) or that one is negative and the other two positive (a saddle point). You really need to identify all three eigenvalues of the &quot;second derivative matrix&quot; in order to know what you have.
 

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