Factorizing Expressions: 216x2y2+150x2+6y2+72xy2+360x2y+48xy+40x+8y+7

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The discussion revolves around the factorization of a complex polynomial expression, specifically 216x²y² + 150x² + 6y² + 72xy² + 360x²y + 48xy + 40x + 8y + 7. Participants explore methods and tools for factorization, including the use of the Magma software.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about methods to factor larger expressions, providing the specific polynomial as an example.
  • Another participant reports that Magma indicates the polynomial is irreducible, sharing the output of their factorization attempt.
  • A different participant shares their own input and output from Magma, suggesting that the expression can be factored into a specific product form, although they express confusion about the results.
  • Further attempts to factor the expression lead to similar outputs, with participants questioning the validity of the factorization they believe to be correct.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the correctness of the factorization they proposed, suggesting that it does not hold true.
  • A participant asks if there are alternative software tools similar to Magma for polynomial factorization.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the factorization of the polynomial, with some asserting it can be factored while others challenge this claim. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of the proposed factorization.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the outputs from the software and the proposed factorization, with participants not reaching a consensus on the correct interpretation of the results.

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is there any way to factorize larger expressions?
i, for example wanted to factorize-
216x2y2+150x2+6y2+72xy2+360x2y+48xy+40x+8y+7
 
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Magma says it's irreducible:
Code:
P<x,y> := PolynomialRing(IntegerRing(), 2);
Factorization(216*x^2*y^2+150*x^2+6*y^2+72*x*y^2+360*x^2*y+48*x*y+40*x+8*y+7);

[
    <216*x^2*y^2 + 360*x^2*y + 150*x^2 + 72*x*y^2 + 48*x*y + 40*x + 6*y^2 + 8*y 
        + 7, 1>
]

Total time: 0.140 seconds, Total memory usage: 7.28MB
 
i entered the code:
P<x,y> := PolynomialRing(IntegerRing(), 2);
Factorization(216*x^2*y^2+150*x^2+6*y^2+72*x*y^2+360*x^2*y+48*x*y+40*x+8*y+2);

[
<216*x^2*y^2 + 360*x^2*y + 150*x^2 + 72*x*y^2 + 48*x*y + 40*x + 6*y^2 + 8*y
+ 2, 1>
]
and got:
[
<2, 1>,
<108*x^2*y^2 + 180*x^2*y + 75*x^2 + 36*x*y^2 + 24*x*y + 20*x + 3*y^2 + 4*y +
1, 1>
]
[
<216*x^2*y^2 + 360*x^2*y + 150*x^2 + 72*x*y^2 + 48*x*y + 40*x + 6*y^2 + 8*y
+ 2, 1>
]

Total time: 0.140 seconds, Total memory usage: 7.28
even tried to put a 3 beside the Integering()(if, that is for no. of factors), to get the same result. but i know,that the above expression is:
2(6xy+5x+y+1)(18xy+15x+3y+1)
how does this work?
 
Only the first two lines were input. The following lines were the output I got.
 
i entered:
P<x,y> := PolynomialRing(IntegerRing(), 2);
Factorization(216*x^2*y^2+150*x^2+6*y^2+72*x*y^2+360*x^2*y+48*x*y+40*x+8*y+2);
and got:
[
<2, 1>,
<108*x^2*y^2 + 180*x^2*y + 75*x^2 + 36*x*y^2 + 24*x*y + 20*x + 3*y^2 + 4*y +
1, 1>
]

Total time: 0.140 seconds, Total memory usage: 7.28MB
whereas above expressioon is:
2(6xy+5x+y+1)(18xy+15x+3y+1)
how does this work?
 
It doesnt, as i suspect you alredy knew.
 
are there more sites like the above mentioned magma?
 

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