Factors Affecting Equilibrium Questions.

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The discussion revolves around the effects of adding sodium hydroxide (NaOH) to an equilibrium system involving magnesium and hydrochloric acid, as well as the impact of adding argon gas to a different equilibrium involving nitrogen dioxide and dinitrogen tetroxide. Participants explore the implications of these additions on the concentrations of various species and the direction of equilibrium shifts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether NaOH acts as a catalyst in the reaction involving magnesium and hydrochloric acid.
  • There is a discussion about the effect of adding NaOH on the concentration of hydroxide ions and its relation to the water ion product.
  • Participants propose that the addition of argon gas does not change the partial pressures of the gases involved, thus not affecting the equilibrium of the nitrogen dioxide and dinitrogen tetroxide system.
  • Some participants assert that the concentration of H+ decreases when OH- is added, which is suggested to shift the equilibrium to the left.
  • There is a contention regarding whether the concentration of H+ increases or decreases after the equilibrium shift, with some arguing it initially decreases but may increase again due to the shift.
  • A participant suggests that the overall effect on the concentrations of species should be described in terms of initial decreases followed by potential increases due to shifts in equilibrium.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of H+ concentration in response to the addition of NaOH, with no consensus reached on the final outcome of H+ concentration after the equilibrium shift. There is also disagreement on the role of NaOH as a catalyst and the implications of adding argon gas.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexities of equilibrium dynamics, particularly in relation to changes in concentration and pressure, and the assumptions underlying these interactions remain unresolved.

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1) Equilibrium is achieved in a closed system where metallic Mg can react with HCl(aq) according to the following net chemical equation:

Mg(s) + 2 H+(aq) <--> Mg+2(aq)+ H2(aq)

A sodium hydroxide, NaOH(s), pellet is added to this system. What happens to the
concentration of each of the species in the net equation?

I don't know if I am correct, but does NaOH(s) act as a catalyst in this reaction?

2) Moles of argon gas are added to the following equilibrium system, predict the direction of the equilibrium shift.

2 NO2 (g) ↔ N2O4 (g)

The addition of argon gas would increase pressure, thus the products would be favored.
 
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#2...you are correct.
#1...please explain why you think NaOH (a strong base) catalyzes the reaction?
Pure water has the following equilibrium reaction HOH ⇌ H⁺ +OH⁻
What will adding NaOH do to that equilibrium?
 
Speedking96 said:
Mg(s) + 2 H+(aq) <--> Mg+2(aq)+ H2(aq)

A sodium hydroxide, NaOH(s), pellet is added to this system. What happens to the
concentration of each of the species in the net equation?

I don't know if I am correct, but does NaOH(s) act as a catalyst in this reaction?

No, but concentration of one of the ions involved will substantially change. Have you heard about water ion product?

2) Moles of argon gas are added to the following equilibrium system, predict the direction of the equilibrium shift.

2 NO2 (g) ↔ N2O4 (g)

The addition of argon gas would increase pressure, thus the products would be favored.

Equilibrium doesn't depend on total pressure, it depends on partial pressures of the gases involved in the reaction. Have they changed?
 
Borek said:
No, but concentration of one of the ions involved will substantially change. Have you heard about water ion product?



Equilibrium doesn't depend on total pressure, it depends on partial pressures of the gases involved in the reaction. Have they changed?

1. No, I didn't know about the water ion product; but after reading the link, I see that there is a dissociation.
H2O <--> H+ + OH-

The addition of NaOH:

H2O + NaOH (s) <--> H+ + OH- + Na+ + OH-


I don't know where to go from here

2. The partial pressures have not changed, therefore it does not affect the equilibrium.
 
Speedking96 said:
1. No, I didn't know about the water ion product; but after reading the link, I see that there is a dissociation.
H2O <--> H+ + OH-

What happens to the concentration of H+ when you add OH-?

The partial pressures have not changed, therefore it does not affect the equilibrium.

And that's the correct answer.
 
Borek said:
What happens to the concentration of H+ when you add OH-?



And that's the correct answer.

The concentration decreases because the OH- will be used up with the H+ to maintain equilibrium.
 
Mg(s) + 2 H+(aq) <--> Mg+2(aq)+ H2 (aq)

H2O <--> H+ + OH-

NaOH (s) <--> Na+(aq) + OH-(aq)

Should I write the net equation to find the overall effect on each of the species?
 
Speedking96 said:
Mg(s) + 2 H+(aq) <--> Mg+2(aq)+ H2 (aq)

What happens to the equilibrium when the concentration of H+ goes down?
 
Borek said:
What happens to the equilibrium when the concentration of H+ goes down?

Mg(s) + 2 H+(aq) <--> Mg+2(aq)+ H2 (aq)

Equilibrium shifts left.

Mg concentration remains the same; H+ concentration goes up; Mg+2 concentration decreases, H2 concentration decreases.
 
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Speedking96 said:
Mg(s) + 2 H+(aq) <--> Mg+2(aq)+ H2 (aq)

Equilibrium shifts left.

Yes.

H+ concentration goes up

That's the only part I disagree with - we already established that it goes down, which is a driving force of the equilibrium shift.

I understand where you come from with this statement, it is just off in the context.
 
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Borek said:
Yes.



That's the only part I disagree with - we already established that it goes down, which is a driving force of the equilibrium shift.

I understand where you come from with this statement, it is just off in the context.

I see, so would it be wrong to say it's increasing? From what I understand, we did establish is was decreasing, but at the same time, with the left shift, wouldn't it increase again?

Thank you for your help.
 
  • #12
IMHO correct way to describe the situation is to say that H+ goes down after NaOH addition, shifting equilibrium to the left, and lowering concentrations of Mg2+ and partial pressure of the H2. Don't mention H+ again.
 
  • #13
Ok, I see what you mean. However, the question specifically asks for the concentration of each species.
I think it would be best to write it as: initially the concentration decreases but later increases due to the shift.
 

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