Failed first mathematical methods test

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a student's experience with their first mathematical methods test in a physics and engineering course, focusing on their concerns about their performance, potential strategies for improvement, and considerations about whether to continue in the class.

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  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • The student scored 61% on the test and is concerned about their overall grade, currently at 73.33%.
  • Some participants suggest providing more details about the difficulties faced during the test and potential areas for improvement.
  • The student lists specific topics covered in the test, including Fourier Series and complex number manipulation, indicating where they struggled.
  • One participant notes that the student's performance should be considered in the context of the overall class performance, suggesting that many may have faced similar challenges.
  • Another participant cautions against assuming perfect scores on future assessments, while still encouraging the possibility of achieving a solid B.
  • Suggestions are made to check if the course has a grading curve and to utilize office hours for additional help and to demonstrate effort.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the student's situation, with some emphasizing the importance of context in grading and others focusing on strategies for improvement. No consensus is reached on whether the student should drop the class.

Contextual Notes

There are uncertainties regarding the grading policies, such as the existence of a curve, and the student's understanding of the material versus mathematical errors. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

Alec Neeson
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I got a 61% on my first mathematical methods for physics and engineering test. I thought I would at least get a solid C on that test :( If I were to receive a 100% on everything thing else ( 1 test , 1 final, 5 homeworks) I could end up with a 92.5% in the class. After that test I currently have a 73.33%. Should I stay in the class? I have until April 4th to drop.
 
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You should really give more information. What was difficult for you? Why did you score low? How do you think you could improve? etc. etc.
 
The test was over Fourier Series, Conservative fields and potentials, line and surface integrals, complex number manipulation, Spherical and cylindrical coordinates, Stoke's theorem, and Gradients, curls, divergence. I didn't evaluate the Fourier Series correctly and I have been going back over it trying to improve (messed up my integration by parts). Also I had forgotten how to do some complex number math. Everything else I did pretty well on (those 2 were worth a particularly lot of points). The class will be going over partial differential equations, Fourier transforms, series solutions to differential equations, and matrix algebra next.
 
How did you do in relation to the rest of the class? I remember my first exam in Mathematical Methods didn't go so well either, but the same was true for the rest of the class. In context, I didn't actually do all that bad.

Mathematical Methods isn't really one of those courses you want to drop - assumuing you're indending on completing a physics degree you'll have to get through it eventually.
 
I can definitely say that you shouldn't count on getting 100% on everything else. An A might be out of a reach, but a solid B certainly isn't.
 
Alec Neeson said:
The test was over Fourier Series, Conservative fields and potentials, line and surface integrals, complex number manipulation, Spherical and cylindrical coordinates, Stoke's theorem, and Gradients, curls, divergence. I didn't evaluate the Fourier Series correctly and I have been going back over it trying to improve (messed up my integration by parts). Also I had forgotten how to do some complex number math. Everything else I did pretty well on (those 2 were worth a particularly lot of points). The class will be going over partial differential equations, Fourier transforms, series solutions to differential equations, and matrix algebra next.

That sounds like some pretty hardcore stuff. Are you sure there isn't a grade curve?

But it's also only your first exam. I wouldn't count on acing everything, but maybe you could ask for some extra credit work if you start demonstrating that you're really making an effort.
 
1) Look at the syllabus or ask the professor/TA if the course is on a curve. A 61% may be a C or a B depending on the curve.
2) Do you understand the material and just made mathematical errors? Then practice more. If you don't understand the material very well (and, really, even if you do) go to office hours. Office hours are there to help you learn the material; they have the added benefit of showing the professor that you are actually trying to understand the material and improve your work.
 

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