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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the magnification capabilities of binoculars, specifically a pair labeled as 20x50. Participants explore how magnification is calculated, the implications of using high magnification binoculars, and the practical challenges of handheld use.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the magnification of their 20x50 binoculars, suggesting that they may not provide the expected zoom level.
  • Another participant clarifies that magnification is angular and relates to how much larger an object appears through the binoculars compared to viewing it with the naked eye.
  • A participant confirms that the binoculars in question have fixed magnification and questions the method of calculating magnification.
  • It is noted that the perceived magnification can be estimated by comparing the size of the image through the binoculars to the size of the object viewed without them.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of using high magnification binoculars, with one participant humorously describing the difficulty of holding a 20x binocular steady.
  • Participants discuss the formula for calculating magnification based on the focal lengths of the objective and eyepiece lenses.
  • Standard binocular specifications, such as 7x50, are mentioned as more suitable for handheld use, especially in dynamic environments like on a ship.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the practicality of high magnification binoculars and the methods for calculating magnification. There is no consensus on the effectiveness of the 20x50 binoculars or the best practices for their use.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the quality and design of the binoculars remain unaddressed, and the discussion does not resolve the accuracy of the magnification claims made by the original poster.

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Hello, I bought 20x50 (150m/1000) binoculars that were not expensive from untrusted market but they were relatively cheap. But when I decided to sell them to another person he told that they zoom no more than 12 or even less.
I don't understand how magnification is calculated. I didn't thought that zoom number is calculated by how much zoomed image becomes bigger because image looked smaller on other binoculars also.
 
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It s not so clear from your post whether these are zoom (variable magnification) or regular (fixed magnification) binoculars.
In any case, magnfiication is angular. You look at an object (say the moon, which is 1/2° appparent angular size), it will appear bigger. If the magnification is 10x the moon through the binos looks about 5° wide (about the size of your fist at armlength), etc.
Lastly, assuming these are handheld, I don't know what 20x would be useful for - even if the optical quality is decent (unlikely for cheap zoom binoculars) the image will move around too much since your own hands' jitter is also magnified 20x
 
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Fixed magnification. So magnification isn't just calculated by multiplying how much view got bigger? Yes, they jitter but not a lot.
 
Well yes it is "how much view gets bigger" in a sense although that wording is rather vague. More precisely it is the ratio between the size of the image of an object as seen through the binoculars, and the size of the object as seen without binoculars.
You can very roughly estimate the magnification using the test I described, but that's certainly not the only way. And of course if you have another pair then the one showing the bigger image of the same oject viewed from the same distance, has the higher magnification.
 
A 20x bino would jitter like a june bug on a hot skillet. Even a 10x bino is a challenge to use hand held. The formula for magnification is focal length of the objective lens divided by focal length of the eyepiece. Assuming the eyepiece is removable, it is pretty simple to deduce the actual magnification.
 
7 x 50 (7 power, 50 mm objective) are standard navigation binoculars, hand held on a moving, perhaps vibrating ship.
 
Doug Huffman said:
7 x 50 (7 power, 50 mm objective) are standard navigation binoculars, hand held on a moving, perhaps vibrating ship.
That's probably one reason they're popular. 7x or maybe 10x is about the highest magnification for comfortable handheld use. Some people with steady hands use 15x but for me at least those are a strain without a tripod, not at all what I'd call comfortable.
 

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