Falling chain center of mass dynamics

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The discussion focuses on the dynamics of a chain with uniform mass density, length b, and mass M, which hangs in a loop from the ceiling. When one end of the chain (end B) is released, the tension at point A is analyzed under two conditions: free fall and energy conservation. The key equation discussed is the time derivative of the center of mass momentum, represented as ˙P = Mg - T, highlighting that the tension (T) does not equal the instantaneous weight of the immobile section of the chain due to the dynamics of the falling chain. This indicates that during the free-fall period, the tension is less than the weight of the chain, preventing it from simply falling off the ceiling.

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Not sure if this is in the right subforum but:

A chain of uniform mass density, length b, and mass M hangs in a loop from the ceiling (both its ends are adjacent to each other) At time t = 0, one end, end B is released. Find the tension in the chain at point A after end B has fallen a distance x by a) assuming free fall b) by using energy conservationThis is an example in Marion/Thornton's Classical dynamics of systems and particles.
They start of by stating that the time derivative of the center of mass momentum is equal to the weight minus the tension. I do not fundamentally understand this. Why is the tension not just equal to the instantaneous weight of the side of the chain that is immobile?

In other wods, I tried to use this:
T = (M+[tex]\rho[/tex]dx)g
Sorry, I'm not sure if this is in the right subforum... ?

but the book starts off with

[tex]\dot{P}[/tex] = Mg - TWhat is the physical significance of that equation? I think I understand it sort of... but doesn't this mean that the downwards force could be greater than the tension... and then that the chain would fall off the ceiling? I don't really understand the physical significance of this
 
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yeahhyeahyeah said:
What is the physical significance of that equation? I think I understand it sort of... but doesn't this mean that the downwards force could be greater than the tension... and then that the chain would fall off the ceiling? I don't really understand the physical significance of this

The chain is falling...sort of. At [itex]t=0[/itex] one end is released and the chain begins to uncoil as that end falls downwards. During that free-fall period, the center of mass of the chain will be moving downwards, so the tension is not equal to the weight.
 

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