False Vacuum: Understanding its Impact on the Stability of the Universe

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The discussion revolves around the concept of false vacuum and its implications for the stability of the universe. Participants explore theoretical scenarios regarding the existence of true vacuum states, the nature of quantum fields, and the potential consequences of vacuum decay.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a wiki explanation suggesting that if our universe is in a false vacuum, it could cease to exist if a true vacuum nucleates, leading to a change in the fundamental particles and forces.
  • One participant questions whether the quoted text sufficiently addresses the possibility of stable conditions in a true vacuum, particularly if it were negative.
  • Another participant proposes the idea of two simultaneous quantum fields, one representing the false vacuum with standard model particles and another representing the true vacuum with dark matter or other entities.
  • In response, a participant argues against the feasibility of two simultaneous vacuum states, stating that an interaction either exists or does not, and a field has a definitive value.
  • Another participant interprets the discussion as questioning the implications of living in a non-ground state vacuum and notes that current measurements do not definitively indicate whether we are in a true vacuum state.
  • One participant asserts that the existing vacuum state has been stable for billions of years, suggesting that any decay would likely be detectable given our position in the universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of vacuum states and the implications of vacuum decay. There is no consensus on whether multiple vacuum states can coexist or the stability of the current vacuum state.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge uncertainties regarding the current state of the universe's vacuum and the implications of potential vacuum decay, highlighting the limitations of existing measurements and theories.

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According to wiki reference. If our vacuum was a false vacuum, things can be destroyed when the true vacuum appears. But is there no way or exception for true vacuum to exist that would still have stable things? For example. if the true vacuum were negative (what else is there?).. why would it imply things getting destroyed like the following explanation showed:

"If measurements of these particles suggests that our universe lies within a false vacuum of this kind, then it would imply—more than likely in many billions of years[16][Note 1]—that it could cease to exist as we know it, if a true vacuum happened to nucleate.[16]

This is because, if the Standard Model is correct, the particles and forces we observe in our universe exist as they do because of underlying quantum fields. Quantum fields can have states of differing stability, including 'stable', 'unstable', or 'metastable' (meaning, long-lived but capable of being "toppled" in the right circumstances). If a more stable vacuum state were able to arise, then existing particles and forces would no longer arise as they do in the universe's present state. Different particles or forces would arise from (and be shaped by) whatever new quantum states arose."
 
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Doesn't the last sentence of the quoted text pretty much answer your question?
 
Is it not possible for there to be 2 simultaneous quantum fields and vacuum.. for example the false vacuum holding our standard model particles and the true vacuum holding let's say dark matter or other stuff?
 
Not in a meaningful way. An interaction either exists or does not exist. A field either has one value or it has another value.
 
oquen said:
Is it not possible for there to be 2 simultaneous quantum fields and vacuum.. for example the false vacuum holding our standard model particles and the true vacuum holding let's say dark matter or other stuff?
mfb said:
Not in a meaningful way. An interaction either exists or does not exist. A field either has one value or it has another value.
Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't what oquen asking there simply are their fields that are not in their ground state? I.e.: Higgs?
 
I understood the question as "if we don't live in the true vacuum state, what happens when our vacuum decays?"

We don't know if we live in the ground state. Current measurements are compatible with both cases.
 
The existing vacuum state of the universe is apparently robust having remained stable for billions of years. We should be the first to know were it to decay, given we reside in the most ancient region of the observable universe.
 

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