Fast reactors: How can they work without a moderator?

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The discussion centers on the operation of fast reactors without a moderator, exploring how they can be controlled and the implications of fuel density and composition. Participants delve into the differences between fast and thermal reactors, the role of fissile material, and the concept of Doppler broadening in relation to neutron behavior.

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  • One participant questions how fast reactors can be controlled without a moderator and expresses confusion about the role of fuel density in fast reactors.
  • Another participant explains that fast reactors rely on delayed neutrons for control, using neutron-absorbing control rods, and notes that Doppler broadening can provide negative feedback through molecular motion of the fuel.
  • A later reply challenges the clarity of the explanation regarding Doppler broadening, asserting that it is primarily related to the temperature of the fuel itself rather than the moderator.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of fissile material in achieving criticality in fast reactors, noting that a reactor with an efficient moderator requires less fissile material compared to one with no moderation.
  • Discussion includes the distinction between prompt and delayed neutrons, with a focus on the implications for reactor control and safety in fast reactors.
  • Participants note that while fast reactors operate with higher energy neutrons, they still require careful design to maintain criticality and control.

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Participants express differing views on the role of Doppler broadening and the implications of fuel temperature, indicating that there is no consensus on these points. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of certain technical aspects and the specifics of reactor design.

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Limitations include varying interpretations of Doppler broadening and its relation to moderators and fuel temperature, as well as the complexities involved in reactor design and control mechanisms.

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Pardon if this is easy to find but I tried google with little success,

so how can a fast reactor work without a moderator? Now I understand that a moderator is commonly used within thermal reactor which is why they are thermal in the first place as the neutrons get slowed down and their energy decreases, I guess what I am asking is how can a fast reactor be controlled without a runaway?

This just came to me while reading about fast reactors. The short passage in an older book says that the fuel is also more dense in a fast reactor I wonder what would that mean as I thought the fuel is just a more highly enriched uranium which contains U235 say 30% and the rest being U 238, apart from enrichment what else differs?

thanks.
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast-neutron_reactor#Control

Like thermal reactors, fast-neutron reactors are controlled by keeping the criticality of the reactor reliant on delayed neutrons, with gross control from neutron-absorbing control rods or blades.

They cannot, however, rely on changes to their moderators because there is no moderator. So Doppler broadening in the moderator, which affects thermal neutrons, does not work, nor does a negative void coefficient of the moderator. Both techniques are common in ordinary light-water reactors.

Doppler broadening from the molecular motion of the fuel, from its heat, can provide rapid negative feedback. The molecular movement of the fissionables themselves can tune the fuel's relative speed away from the optimal neutron speed. Thermal expansion of the fuel can provide negative feedback. Small reactors as in submarines may use Doppler broadening or thermal expansion of neutron reflectors.
 
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ok, thanks I glossed somehow over it.

although isn't the text a bit misleading from the aspect where it talks about Doppler broadening? first it says "So Doppler broadening in the moderator, which affects thermal neutrons "
then a bit lower it says "Doppler broadening from the molecular motion of the fuel, from its heat "

from what I have read myself I have always understood that the Doppler broadening in nuclear fuel is related to the temperature of the fuel itself while the moderator plays no role in it. In other words U 238 and Pu240 within the fuel element heat up and then absorb more neutrons compared to when the temp. is lower.I guess the next thing would be to understand how those moderators are used in real reactors, I am familiar with thermal reactor designs to certain extent but much less with those of fast ones.
 
The biggest issue is the amount of fissile material present. A reactor with an efficient moderator can have much less fissile material relative to a reactor with little or no moderation.

Very broadly speaking, the reactor will be critical if, on average, each neutron in a generation results in one neutron in the next generation. That requires that enough, on average, find a nucleus and cause it to fission.

The moderator slows the neutrons down. That means that you get a larger cross section for fission. (See the graph.) So, if the neutrons are thermal, they will see that larger cross section. So they will have an easier time finding some U235.

But the cross section is not zero at higher energies. So, by working harder at the design and by putting more U235 in, you can make it critical with less, or no, moderation.

Controlling the reactor is then the challenge. You must, as anorlunda said, keep it in the regime where delayed neutrons are still the difference between critical and sub-critical.

A prompt neutron is one that is released, as the name suggests, immediately on fission. A delayed neutron is released from a fission fragment through radioactive decay. These can be emitted from seconds to minutes after a fission happens. They then follow fission power up and down, but with a delay.

If you stay in the region of delayed neutrons, then you can control the reactor quite easily. The characteristic time will be many seconds. If there is a small uptick in power, you have enough time to control it using fairly ordinary mechanical systems. If you get into the region where the reactor is critical without delayed neutrons, called the prompt region, then the characteristic time is milliseconds. Or possibly even a fraction of a millisecond in some designs. Such situations can't be controlled by normal mechanical systems, and you get huge extremely bad problems. Explosive in some designs.

So a "fast reactor" means that the neutrons average faster, not that the reactor is doing anything unusually fast otherwise. Broadly speaking, things are quite similar except for:
- The spectrum tends much more strongly towards the higher energy parts.
- The fuel tends to have much higher concentrations of U235. Or other fissile material if it is another fuel type.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_cross_section#/media/File:U235_Fission_cross_section.png

U235_Fission_cross_section.png
 
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