Fast/slow Alfven waves in High/Low Beta Plasma?

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The discussion centers around the propagation characteristics of Alfven waves in high and low beta plasma, with a focus on deriving relevant equations. Participants express varying levels of understanding and seek clarification on the topic.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests assistance in deriving equations related to the speed of Alfven waves in high and low beta plasma.
  • Another participant provides a link to a resource that may contain relevant information on MHD waves.
  • A claim is made that MHD wave theory borders on being crackpot, suggesting skepticism about its validity.
  • A later reply challenges the crackpot characterization, noting that Alfven won a Nobel Prize and questioning the comparison of Alfven waves to sound waves in plasma.
  • Further, a participant suggests that the general theory of plasma waves can be found in a specific chapter of a textbook, indicating that the cold limit and transformations in hot plasmas can be identified.
  • Additional references are provided for further reading, including a specialized book on Alfven waves.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of MHD wave theory, with some supporting its legitimacy while others are skeptical. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the characterization of Alfven waves and their theoretical underpinnings.

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There are references to various resources and textbooks, but the discussion does not clarify specific assumptions or definitions that may affect the understanding of Alfven wave propagation in different plasma conditions.

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Guys can you please tell me how fast/slow Alfven waves propagate in High/Low Beta Plasma? I need to derive equation cannot find any clue on that! Please be so kind to help me please!:rolleyes:
 
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MHD wave theory borders on crackpot.
 
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Crackpot? That's news to me. Alfven won the Nobel Prize. Aren't Alfven waves just sound waves in a plasma?

It is true that Alfven came up with a cosmological theory that turned out to be wrong and that crackpots have latched onto it, but Alfven can't be blamed for that.
 
You can find the general theory of plasma waves in hot (or cold) plasmas (any beta) in this chapter:

http://psl.postech.ac.kr/material/lecture/chap3.pdf

In principle, you can identify the cold limit and the Alfven wave and see how it transform in hot plasmas.

See also the cold text:

http://psl.postech.ac.kr/material/lecture/chap1.pdf

The reference above is rather lengthy, you may find similar material in a more compact presentation, with google.
My preferred reference on plasma electrodynamics is:

Principles of plasma electrodynamics, Springer

A more specialized book on Alfven waves might help you too:

The Physics of Alfven Waves
 

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