Fastest way to calculate the following equations

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The problem involves solving a system of equations to find the variable n, with additional unknowns a and d. The equations presented include linear and potentially quadratic forms, leading to complexity in solving them directly.

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  • Participants discuss the challenges of solving the equations by hand and the limitations of their calculators. Some suggest using computational tools like WolframAlpha for direct solutions. Others explore algebraic simplifications to express variables in terms of n, leading to different forms of equations.

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There is ongoing exploration of various methods to simplify the equations. Some participants have proposed specific values for n and d based on their calculations, while others note the emergence of quadratic forms from the simplifications. No consensus has been reached, but several productive lines of reasoning are being pursued.

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Participants mention the tedious nature of manual calculations and the need for clarity on the relationships between the variables a, d, and n. There is also a recognition of potential typos in the equations that may affect the outcomes.

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Find n.

5a + 10d = 26

5a + 5/2(n-1)d + 5/2(n-5)d = 726

n/2(2a + (n-1)d) = 10904

Note that a and d are unknowns as well.

2. The attempt at a solution

It is extremely tedious to calculate by hand. Furthermore, my calculator is only able to solve both linear equations and quadratic equations in the form of ax + b and ax^2 + bx + c respectively, where a, b and c are known constants. However, the above equations give me unknowns like nd, na, which I am unable to key it into the calculator. Hence, is there a better way to solve the above equations? Much help appreciated. Thanks!
 
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If you have access to a computer, use that. WolframAlpha can solve it directly with your equations.

Without a computer: I would simplify the second equation to
26-10d + 5d/2 (2n-6) = 726 (using the first equation to get rid of a) and then
-2d + d (n-3)=140
d(n-5)=140
Therefore, d=140/(n-5)

Using this in the last equation gives a cubic equation -> bad. If d is an integer, n has to be at least 145. As 145/2*145 is of the order of 10904, I would try this first. n=145, d=1, a=16/5 leads to a solution, and I think the derivative of the last equation with respect to n will show that this is the only solution.
 
mfb said:
If you have access to a computer, use that. WolframAlpha can solve it directly with your equations.

Without a computer: I would simplify the second equation to
26-10d + 5d/2 (2n-6) = 726 (using the first equation to get rid of a) and then
-2d + d (n-3)=140
d(n-5)=140
Therefore, d=140/(n-5)

Using this in the last equation gives a cubic equation -> bad. If d is an integer, n has to be at least 145. As 145/2*145 is of the order of 10904, I would try this first. n=145, d=1, a=16/5 leads to a solution, and I think the derivative of the last equation with respect to n will show that this is the only solution.

You can get a quadratic equation in n, by solving the first eqn for a in terms of d, substituting that into the second equation to get a simple linear equation for d in in terms of n. Then, substituting both into the third equation gives a quadratic in n.
 
Oh right, it is just a quadratic equation.
An ugly one, however.
 
mfb said:
Oh right, it is just a quadratic equation.
An ugly one, however.

I think I must have made a typo when entering the equations before; when I (or Maple) do it again I obtain a very simple linear equation for n (not a quadratic). Solving the first two equations for 'a' and 'd' in terms of n, we have
d = 140/(n-5), a = 2/5*(13*n-765)/(n-5). Putting these into the third equation gives something surprisingly simple.
 

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