Father-Son Paradox: Explaining Time Dilation

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The discussion revolves around the father-son paradox related to time dilation as an extension of the twin paradox in special relativity. Participants explore the implications of time dilation when one travels at relativistic speeds and the challenges of explaining such phenomena to someone unaware of the context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that it is theoretically possible for a father traveling close to the speed of light to return and find his son older due to time dilation.
  • Others argue that while the scenario is possible in principle, practical challenges and costs make it unlikely to occur in reality.
  • One participant suggests that if the father travels long enough at such speeds, he may return to find that millions of years have passed on Earth, complicating the explanation of his experience.
  • Another participant challenges the relevance of this point, stating that it diverges from the original scenario where the father returns to find his son older.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of explaining the effects of time dilation without revealing the father's space travel, with some asserting that it is impossible to do so.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of the scenario and the implications of time dilation, with no consensus reached on the practicality of the father's experience or the ability to explain it without context.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on hypothetical scenarios and the unresolved nature of practical challenges related to traveling at relativistic speeds.

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This is an extension of twin paradox of STR. Suppose when the father was 30yrs old, he got into this flight which moves close to c. After a while in that he comes back to see his Son older to him! I'm sure this is a possibility from time dilation. Is this really possible? If so, how is the father going to explain all this to someone else who doesn't know about his space trip! :-)
 
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kannank@live said:
This is an extension of twin paradox of STR. Suppose when the father was 30yrs old, he got into this flight which moves close to c. After a while in that he comes back to see his Son older to him! I'm sure this is a possibility from time dilation. Is this really possible? If so, how is the father going to explain all this to someone else who doesn't know about his space trip! :-)
It's possible in principle but it's never going to actually happen because of the technical challenges to overcome, not to mention the extraordinary cost.

But explaining how something happened without letting them know what happened is impossible, don't you think?
 
ghwellsjr said:
It's possible in principle but it's never going to actually happen because of the technical challenges to overcome, not to mention the extraordinary cost.

But explaining how something happened without letting them know what happened is impossible, don't you think?

There is hardly anything surprising about it. If the father travels long enough with a velocity close to the speed of loght, he may come back only to find that millions of years have passed on the Earth and the explaining can't be done because there is no one left to explain to!
 
backward said:
There is hardly anything surprising about it. If the father travels long enough with a velocity close to the speed of loght, he may come back only to find that millions of years have passed on the Earth and the explaining can't be done because there is no one left to explain to!
That may be true but you have just changed the scenario that the OP described so it isn't relevant. The OP said, "he comes back to see his Son older to him".
 
kannank@live said:
If so, how is the father going to explain all this to someone else who doesn't know about his space trip! :-)
Really? This is your concern? How to explain physical results without disclosing the relevant physical facts?

You cannot do it.
 

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