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The discussion revolves around participants sharing their favorite mathematical equations and the reasons behind their preferences. The scope includes personal reflections on the beauty and utility of various equations, as well as technical insights related to their significance in mathematics and physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a preference for the quadratic formula, citing its ease of use for finding roots compared to factoring.
  • Euler's identity, e^{i\pi} + 1 = 0, is highlighted by multiple participants as a favorite due to its aesthetic appeal and the connections it makes between fundamental constants.
  • One participant notes that Euler originally wrote the identity as e^{i\pi} = -1, prompting a discussion about the evolution of its presentation.
  • Another participant appreciates the identity for its implications in defining logarithms of negative numbers and its role in proving the transcendence of pi.
  • Some participants mention other equations, such as Kirchhoff's laws, Fermat's Last Theorem, and various integral equations, indicating their practical or theoretical significance.
  • There is a debate regarding the significance of pi in Euler's identity, with some arguing it is fundamental while others view it as arbitrary depending on the context of angle measurement.
  • Participants express differing opinions on the nature of Euler's identity, with some finding it trivial and others considering it profound.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express a variety of personal favorites, with no consensus on a single equation. Disagreements arise regarding the significance of Euler's identity and the interpretation of its components, particularly concerning the use of radians.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about the definitions of mathematical constants and the context in which equations are applied, which remain unresolved. The significance of certain equations may depend on individual perspectives and experiences.

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list your favorite equation and why

mine is -b + or - the square root of b2 -4ac all over 2a

the quadratic formula. I found it easier than factoring for finding my x's
 
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e^(i.pi) = -1

just because its so Goddamn freaky
 
without a doubt: e^{i\pi} = -1

i think it will be the favourite equation of many ppl around here.
 
Please, if it is your favourite, give Euler's Identity the respect it deserves:

e^{i\pi} + 1 = 0

I probably wouldn't be able to state my favorite, but here's one I found VERY useful: \int^b_a f(x) dx = F(b) - F(a) where F'(x)= f(x)

EDIT: Favorite equation of mine, here it is. I am a mathematician, but this is really beautiful.
F^{\rightarrow} = \frac{dp^{\rightarrow}}{dt}. Simple, effective, and has withstood the test of time. It's still correct to this date.
 
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The Euler's identity, of course, because I didn't realize a thing about it when I first saw it; it didn't hit me a like a rock in the stomach, not like a lightning out of the blue, and so on. And I still don't understand what the hype is all about! People see it like some sort of Hollywood movie featuring all the top stars, that's all. :-p
 
Gib Z said:
Please, if it is your favourite, give Euler's Identity the respect it deserves:

e^{i\pi} + 1 = 0
is that the way Euler originally wrote it? i think i read somewhere that Euler origially wrote it as e^{i\pi} = -1 and not in the more beautiful way you or other ppl nowadays writes it.

Gib Z said:
Favorite equation of mine, here it is. I am a mathematician, but this is really beautiful.
F^{\rightarrow} = \frac{dp^{\rightarrow}}{dt}. Simple, effective, and has withstood the test of time. It's still correct to this date.

isn't it \overrightarrow{F} \propto \frac{d\overrightarrow{p}}{dt}
and is it true for velocities close to the velocity of light?
 
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Although I think it's definitely a bit too geeky to have a "favorite" equation I have to say that the first time I saw the following it equation it really impressed me.

\prod_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{1-(1/p_n)^a} = \sum_{n=1}^\infty 1/n^a

where p_n is the n_th prime and a>1.
 
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murshid_islam said:
isn't it \overrightarrow{F} \propto \frac{d\overrightarrow{p}}{dt}
and is it true for velocities close to the velocity of light?
No, its as Gib Z written it;

\vec{F} = \frac{d\vec{p}}{dt}

And yes, if applied correctly, is valid in Special Relativity. However, note that F=ma is not valid when v>0.01c
 
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Definitely Euler's identity for me. When I first saw it (I think when I was around 15 or so), my mind was blown because the equation immediately suggested a way to define the logarithms of negative reals. And that's really, really cool.
 
  • #11
I'll go simple. My favs are Kirchoff's voltage and current law. I use 'em practically everyday.
 
  • #12
Hmm, i have a few favourites, in order of their cognitive bias from greatest to least:

a^2 + b^2 = c^2

e^{ix} = cos(x) + i sin(x)

F(t) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{(2\pi)}}\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} e^{itx}f(x)dx

and finally Maxwell's equations, which i don't fully remember or understand but when i do they will be next in the list...
 
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In fact, F=ma is incorrect for any velocity larger than zero :P as small as the error is.

BTW uart, its not too geeky for have a favorite equation :) and that's a nice relation you've chosen, perhaps you could prove the related Riemann hypothesis for me? :PEDIT: Forgot to address this. Euler Originally wrote it as Murshid_islam states it, but on later realisation of the equations profound consequences, changed it to the new form. He was inclined to do so by many collegues and espically number theorists, who found beauty in equations that were equated to zero.
 
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  • #14
3trQN said:
F(t) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{(2\pi)}}\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} e^{itx}f(x)dx

Written as such, this is nothing. The cool-looking thing is that

f(t)=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}\left(\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}f(\chi)e^{-i\omega\chi}d\chi \right)e^{i\omega t}d\omega
 
  • #15
I also kinda like an + bn =/= cn

Fermat's theorem. was a pain to prove
 
  • #16
Forgive my ignorance but why do some here consider Euler's identity so special?

To me it seems that Euler's identity is a trivial instance of Euler's formula.
Furthermore the presence of \pi is not significant, it is only there if you decide to measure angles in radians.
 
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  • #17
MeJennifer said:
Forgive my ignorance but why do some here consider Euler's identity so special?

I don't know about others, but speaking for myself :

1) It's a breathtakingly simple looking result that beautifully ties up four mathematical constants (e, pi, 0 and 1) in a single equation (at least when you write it with the RHS equal to zero).

2) It allows one to define the logarithm of a negative number as a complex number, as I've already alluded to.

3) It is an important result that allows a quick proof of pi's transcendence via the Lindemann-Weierstrass theorem (actually the exp(2*pi*i) = 1 variant is the one used most often here).

To me it seems that Euler's identity is a trivial instance of Euler's formula.

Maybe trivial to derive (from Euler's formula, which in itself is a beautiful tie-up between exponentiation and trig and leads to the shortest possible proof of De Moivre's theorem), but hardly trivial in its significance.

Furthermore the presence of is not significant, it is only there if you decide to measure angles in radians.

Pi is a mathematical constant, it need have nothing to do with measuring any angle as far as (the "four constant") Euler's identity goes. As for Euler's original formula, well, it's understood that the trig ratios have to be evaluated with arguments in radians. There is nothing arbitrary in this, radian measure is also considered by most to be far more fundamental than any other commonly used unit of angle measure (degrees, grad, etc.) It's the same sort of "natural bias" (pun not intended) when one compares a natural log with a common one.

And if you want to treat trig functions as abstractions without any immediate reference to angles or triangles (as is often the case in analysis), then you should leave everything in radians, far more elegant that way. :smile:
 
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  • #18
Well, it contains unique numbers... The square root of negative one, pi, e, 1 and 0. All these are very special numbers and they can be equated. Who would have thought that raising e (crazy number with elegant properties) to the power of i (an imaginary number that doesn't quite make sense) times pi (the ratio of circumference/diameter) and add one (an obvious important number) and it all equals zero (a number humanity struggled to come to grips with)? wtf? <--thats what I think. Like it was said before, kind of creepy.
 
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DieCommie said:
Well, it contains unique numbers... The square root of negative one, pi, e, 1 and 0. All these are very special numbers and they can be equated. Who would have thought that raising e (crazy number with elegant properties) to the power of i (an imaginary number that doesn't quite make sense) times pi (the ratio of circumference/diameter) and subtract one (an obvious important number) and it all equals zero (a number humanity struggled to come to grips with)? wtf? <--thats what I think. Like it was said before, kind of creepy.

That should be add.
 
  • #20
Fermats LAST Theorem, n has to be an integer larger than 2, in the case of 2 its just Pythagoras...a b and c have to be positive integers as well. Very painful to prove.
 
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Curious3141 said:
There is nothing arbitrary in this, radian measure is also considered by most to be far more fundamental than any other commonly used unit of angle measure (degrees, grad, etc.) It's the same sort of "natural bias" (pun not intended) when one compares a natural log with a common one.
Well, then I respectfully disagee with those. :smile:

In my opinion, more fundamental would be to use for instance the simple range [0, 1] or even better [-1,1]. To me to use of the term \pi is just getting fancy, it is really completely insignificant to me.
 
  • #22
LOL Using the range [-1,1] would completely destroy a huge chunk of calculus. No disrespect Jennifer, I can tell you know a lot more than myself, but radian measure is the most natural. Heres one example, the derivative of sin. In radians, its a nice cos function. In degrees, its not so nice. Also, it can be shown that any number that is not a rational multiple of PI, other than zero, the sin, cos, or tan of that number will be transcendental. No beautiful relation like that arises from any other angle measure.

Not to mention, when using radian measure with certain taylor series, than integrating them, it gives series for pi. That does not happen for any other angle measure, and it wouldn't give a series for what the measure is based on either, incase you were thinking its cause pi is the radian measures base.

Just like previous posts, you just wuoldnt expect it! It leads to many beautilful results.
 
  • #23
x^x(1+ln(x))
 
  • #24
theperthvan said:
x^x(1+ln(x))

That's not an equation unless you prepend 'd/dx(x^x) ='.
 
  • #25
Im also curious:
most useful equation and why(this will definitely depend on what you do)
least useful and why

most:grams/molar mass=mol

least: quadratic formula. I love it but its useless
 
  • #26
If this were one of the physics forums, I'd probably cite Maxwell's Equations. But since this is the world of math, I'm definitely going to have to go with the Fundamental Theorem of Calculs. But Uart's example was also interesting...

uart said:
Although I think it's definitely a bit too geeky to have a "favorite" equation I have to say that the first time I saw the following it equation it really impressed me.

\prod_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{1-(1/p_n)^a} = \sum_{n=1}^\infty 1/n^a

where p_n is the n_th prime and a>1.

This, I must admit, is pretty awesome. I wonder how it's derived, especially since there's no obvious formula for calculating the nth prime.
 
  • #27
Most useful - \int^b_a f(x) dx = F(b) - F(a) where F'(x)=f(x).
Why: Helps a lot.

Least Useful - \sum^{\inf}_{n=1} n = \frac{-1}{12}

Why: Its cool, but I've never found a use for it. Maybe when I do string theory >.<
 
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for r > 0,

\Sigma{(\frac{1}{1+r})^n} = \frac{1-(\frac{1}{1+r})^n}{r}

This is the multiplying factor for present value of an annuity with level payments. Simply marvelous in it's uses in the field of finance.
 
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rock4christ said:
I also kinda like an + bn =/= cn

Fermat's theorem. was a pain to prove
isn't this thread about favourite "equations"? but what rock4christ mentioned is not technically an "equation". the two sides are not equal for n \geq 3. :smile:

Gib Z said:
Least Useful - \sum^{\inf}_{n=1} n = \frac{-1}{12}
is that a Ramanujan summation? or am i confusing it with something else?
 
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