FB Friend Suggestion: Privacy Violation or Digital Age Necessity?

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The discussion revolves around privacy concerns related to Facebook's friend suggestion algorithms and data usage practices. Participants express their discomfort with how Facebook appears to access and utilize personal information without explicit consent, comparing it to other platforms like Twitter. The conversation touches on broader themes of data privacy, corporate practices, and the implications of different regulatory environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express feelings of violation regarding Facebook's friend suggestions, noting that these suggestions seem to be based on past interactions and data that should not be accessible without consent.
  • Others propose that data may be sourced from various channels, including IP addresses and cookies, suggesting that tracking is pervasive and difficult to avoid.
  • A participant highlights the contrast between Facebook and Twitter, arguing that Twitter does not suggest friends based on email access, indicating a perceived difference in privacy respect.
  • Concerns are raised about the business model of Facebook, which relies on advertising revenue generated from user data, leading to invasive practices.
  • Some participants advocate for greater user control over personal data and suggest that political intervention is necessary to regulate how companies handle user information.
  • There is a discussion about differing regulatory approaches in the US and Europe, with some participants noting that the US fosters innovation at the potential cost of consumer privacy protections.
  • One participant reflects on the balance between fostering innovation and preventing abuse, suggesting that excesses in business practices can lead to negative outcomes.
  • Several participants share personal experiences of deleting their Facebook accounts due to privacy concerns and the perceived lack of value in the platform.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the discomfort surrounding Facebook's data practices and the need for better privacy protections. However, there are multiple competing views regarding the effectiveness of current regulations and the implications of different business models, leaving the discussion unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions about data access and privacy, with some relying on anecdotal experiences to support their claims. The discussion reflects a range of perspectives on the ethical implications of data usage by large tech companies.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals concerned about digital privacy, those evaluating the implications of social media usage, and readers interested in the regulatory landscape surrounding data protection.

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  • #32
harborsparrow said:
Facebook is reported to be on the verge of getting a penalty from the FTC (Fed. Trade Commission) over privacy violations: https://www.cnet.com/news/facebook-ftc-reportedly-negotiating-massive-fine-to-settle-privacy-issues/
Yesterday, Berkely ICSI faculty member Serge Egelman posted another of his writings, this one about Android apps that, along with storing your current non-persistent (changeable in regular settings) "ad ID", also store persistent identifiers such as "IMEI, WiFi MAC address, SIM card serial number, etc." and the "Android ID", for purposes of selling the identifying information (mainly to advertisers).

Following the link at the bottom of that page leads to this:
https://blog.appcensus.mobi/2018/09/10/tiny-lab-responds/
and from there, the bottom link leads to this:
https://blog.appcensus.mobi/2018/05/14/apps-sending-location-secretly/

The MFs are not only collecting kids' personal data, they're following kids around with GPS and trying (ineptly) to be surreptitious about it -- that is truly beyond creepolian.
 
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  • #33
EngWiPy said:
These companies are manipulative. You cannot possibly expect users to read pages and pages in Terms and Conditions in vague terms before you register. It's ridiculous.
Keep in mind that services such as Facebook are free, and no one is putting a gun to anyone's head.

Though you may not want to admit it, you are making a decision about the benefits of Facebook versus the cost to your privacy. You have implicitly decided that the benefit is worth the cost.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Keep in mind that services such as Facebook are free, and no one is putting a gun to anyone's head.

Though you may not want to admit it, you are making a decision about the benefits of Facebook versus the cost to your privacy. You have implicitly decided that the benefit is worth the cost.

The problem with this reasoning is that the user doesn't have a choice. He/she either fully gives up their privacy, or don't use the application, and make yourself isolated. Twitter is a free application, too, but Facebook is very aggressive in what and how they do business. They are under investigation and a potential fine for a reason.
 
  • #35
EngWiPy said:
The problem with this reasoning is that the user doesn't have a choice.
Of course they do.

What they can't do is have their cake and eat it too. TANSTAAFL.

EngWiPy said:
He/she either fully gives up their privacy, or don't use the application, and make yourself isolated.
No. Just what fraction of people do you think are not on Facebook at all?
Just in my circle of friends - and Iive in a major megatropolis - it's about 50%.
EngWiPy said:
Twitter is a free application, too, but Facebook is very aggressive in what and how they do business.
They can't do any business with people who don't agree to have business be done with them by signing up. In fact, you have to actively go and find them to sign up. Again, no gun to your head.

Don't get me wrong - I sympathize with you. I'd like to see their privacy incursions curtailed too. But let's not pretend we don;t go into it willingly and with our eyes wide open.
 
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  • #36
DaveC426913 said:
...no gun to your head.

...

That's correct. That's why I am off Facebook. I can live without it. But the point I was trying to make from this whole thread is that we need political decisions to contain these giants on how they use users' data. Their terms and conditions should be aligned with a well-defined privacy conditions. They shouldn't be allowed to define what digital privacy is. I think the free stuff has some negative impact. It's allowed an intrusive business model. I don't know if we can change that, though.
 
  • #37
EngWiPy said:
That's correct. That's why I am off Facebook. I can live without it. But the point I was trying to make from this whole thread is that we need political decisions to contain these giants on how they use users' data. Their terms and conditions should be aligned with a well-defined privacy conditions. They shouldn't be allowed to define what digital privacy is. I think the free stuff has some negative impact. It's allowed an intrusive business model. I don't know if we can change that, though.
It's changing. I think there's been an argument afoot that Facebook is beginning to serve as a primary news source for a significant fraction of the population.
That allows regulators to get a foot in the door. They are already leaning on Facebook about its manipulation of political news items.
 

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