Fermat Number Proof: Relatively Prime

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The discussion revolves around proving that all Fermat numbers are relatively prime. Participants are exploring various approaches to establish this property, with a focus on mathematical reasoning and assumptions related to the nature of Fermat numbers.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to demonstrate the relative primality of Fermat numbers by analyzing their differences and factors. Some participants suggest alternative methods, including established properties of Fermat numbers, while others question the validity of certain steps in the reasoning presented.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original attempt and raising concerns about the validity of specific factorization steps. There is an ongoing examination of assumptions, particularly regarding the nature of integer factors in the arguments presented.

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Participants note that the proof relies on properties of Fermat numbers and that certain steps must involve integer factors to be valid. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in proving related propositions.

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Homework Statement


Show that all fermat numbers are relatively prime.

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If they share common factors then it should divide their difference so I look at
n>x
(2^{2^n}+1)-(2^{2^x}+1)=2^{2^x}(2^{2^n-2^x}-1)
Now since fermat numbers are odd their factors will have to be contained in
(2^{2^n-2^x}-1) Now if they share common factors then it should divide
(2^{2^n-2^x}-1)+(2^{2^n}+1)= (2^{2^n-2^x}+2^{2^n})=2^{2^n}(2^{-2^x}+1)
Since fermat numbers are odd their factors must divide into
(2^{-2^x}+1) but this is not an integer so this contradicts our assumption that it will divide our sum, so fermat numbers are relatively prime.
 
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Looks good. The usual way to prove this is to use one of the properties of Fermat numbers, like ##F_0F_1...F_{n-1} + 2 = F_n##, which gives a much quicker and neater proof. But proving that proposition is more work to begin with. So your way is better from first principles.

This webdocument is quite useful: http://modular.math.washington.edu/edu/2010/414/projects/tsang.pdf

EDIT: Please see Joffan's and Dick's posts. You cannot use this if one (or more) of your factors is not an integer.
 
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Sorry, no - you can't present that final step as a valid factorization with one of the parts non-integer.
 
Joffan said:
Sorry, no - you can't present that final step as a valid factorization with one of the parts non-integer.

Obviously, let's prove ##2^n-1## is prime. ##2^n-1=2^n(1-2^{-n})##, ##2^n-1## is odd therefore any factor must divide ##1-2^{-n}## which not an integer. QED. That's baloney. ##2^4-1=15## is not prime.
 
Dick said:
Obviously, let's prove ##2^n-1## is prime. ##2^n-1=2^n(1-2^{-n})##, ##2^n-1## is odd therefore any factor must divide ##1-2^{-n}## which not an integer. QED. That's baloney. ##2^4-1=15## is not prime.

A very good point. When making the argument, both factors must be integers.
 

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