Fermat's Last Theorem is too Liberal

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The discussion centers around perceptions of bias in Wikipedia, particularly regarding the representation of Fermat's Last Theorem and its proof by Andrew Wiles. Participants explore claims of liberal bias among Wikipedia editors and the implications of this bias on the portrayal of mathematical concepts and historical criticisms.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Wikipedia distorts Wiles' proof by not adequately addressing its reliance on the Axiom of Choice and initial criticisms.
  • Others argue that the comparison of Wikipedia editors' political affiliations to the general American public is flawed, noting that many editors are not from the U.S.
  • A participant humorously critiques the quality of Conservapedia articles, suggesting they are not taken seriously.
  • There are claims that the liberal representation on Wikipedia is disproportionate compared to the general population, with some participants questioning the validity of the statistics presented.
  • Some contributions reflect on the perceived absurdity of certain Wikipedia entries and the overall quality of information available on the platform.
  • Participants express skepticism about the seriousness of Conservapedia, with some suggesting it may be a joke while others maintain it is not.
  • There are references to broader cultural and political issues, including discussions about atheism, evolution, and homosexuality as they relate to the perceived biases in various sources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the biases present in Wikipedia and Conservapedia, as well as differing opinions on the validity of the claims made regarding these platforms.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying degrees of skepticism about the reliability of statistics and the representation of political views on Wikipedia, highlighting the complexity of the issue without reaching a consensus.

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22. Mathematicians on Wikipedia distort and exaggerate Wiles' proof of Fermat's Last Theorem by (i) concealing how it relied on the controversial Axiom of Choice and by (ii) omitting the widespread initial criticism of it.
 
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Conservapedia said:
60. Wikipedia has a substantial anti-intellectual element, as reflected by silly administrator names and nonsensical entries. Check out Wikipedia's entry for "duh": "Duh is an American English slang exclamation that is used to express disdain for someone missing the obviousness of something. For example, if one read a headline saying 'Scientific study proves pain really does hurt' or 'New reports show death is bad for one's health', the response might be 'Well, duh!'"[95] How about a new slogan: Wikipedia: well, duh!
Well, I'm convinced! Imagine, silly administrator names!
 
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Conservapedia said:
70. Polls show that about twice as many Americans identify themselves as "conservative" compared with "liberal",
that's 33% "liberal"
and that ratio has been increasing for two decades.[111] But on Wikipedia, about three times as many editors identify themselves as "liberal" compared with "conservative".
That's 75% "liberal"
That suggests Wikipedia is six times more liberal than the American public.
Even if these "polls show" the truth; Six times? 33 x 6 = 75? Oh I get it, there's a "twice" in the first part, and a "three" in the second part. 2x3=6!

This rant is over 100 "points" long, and even the first five are grasping at straws. The worst thing that could happen to conservatives is allowing this to be widely distributed.
 
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Conservapedia said:
22. Mathematicians on Wikipedia distort and exaggerate Wiles' proof of Fermat's Last Theorem by (i) concealing how it relied on the controversial Axiom of Choice and by (ii) omitting the widespread initial criticism of it.
I have tried in my physicsforums posts to inject a certain amount of nonsense. Can anyone doubt my need to bow to a greater power than my own? When compared to the masters, I lack originality and creativity on a grand scale.
 
Conservapedia sure has many fine articles of high quality.

:rolleyes:
 
Comparing wikipedia editors with American public is an obvious sign of web idiocy. Many wikipedia editors are not from US.
 
Few contests in November will be as closely watched as the fight for registrar of wills in Ong's Hat, People's Democratic Republic of Northern South Jersey, population 34. The battle pits arch-conservative Democrat Errett BIshop against ultra-liberal Republican Andrew Wiles. Bishop is running on a regressive platform of reinstating the death penalty for people who misspell words in their wills while Wiles is promoting the knee-jerk liberal approach of handing out free condoms to them. A recent poll of nearly 3% of the town's population showed Wiles ahead by the narrowest of margins. However, a recent investigation revealed that Wiles had made use of the Axiom of Choice in proving Fermat's theorem. Most people in the town grew up when Fermat's manifesto on powers of integers was a conjecture, not a theorem. Supporters of Wiles point out in a recent speech Bishop said 2 + 2 = 5. Bishop has since apologized for the gaffe, but many in town still believe it.
 
jimmysnyder said:
I have tried in my physicsforums posts to inject a certain amount of nonsense. Can anyone doubt my need to bow to a greater power than my own? When compared to the masters, I lack originality and creativity on a grand scale.

jimmysnyder said:
Few contests in November will be as closely watched as the fight for registrar of wills in Ong's Hat, People's Democratic Republic of Northern South Jersey, population 34. ...

Nice try, Jimmy. You must still bow to these greater powers:
Liberals deny that their totalitarian positions, such [noparse][as][/noparse] supporting gun control or banning homeschooling, were instrumental to Adolf Hitler's power. Liberals seem to think nearly everyone else agrees with them, and even seem shocked and offended when they encounter someone who does not. In the United States, conservatives outnumber liberals by a 2:1 ratio, yet most liberals do not recognize that. Ask a liberal, for example, what percentage of people accept the Deluge as recounted in the Bible and the liberal's answer can be off by a factor of ten.

Descriptions of dragons are widespread and match descriptions of dinosaurs, suggesting that dragons were real creatures and were actually dinosaurs. ... That dinosaurs are not known from the fossil record above the Cretaceous strata is not reason to believe that they have not survived until more recent times.

The fossil record is often used as evidence in the creation versus evolution controversy. The fossil record does not support the theory of evolution and is one of the flaws in theory of evolution.
 
:smile: I am laughing so hard I can't stop crying. This is site is so lame and pathetic there are no words to describe it. It reminds me of the "site for everything Fundamentalist" I ran across the other day.

Take a look at this. http://www.conservapedia.com/Image:Liberal_Brain.jpg

Yeah, this is a really intellectually rich site. :rolleyes:

Is this website a joke?
 
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D H said:
Nice try, Jimmy. You must still bow to these greater powers:
Smoked me like a 5 cent cigar.
 
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Their Atheism article is a well known source of humour some places on the internet, as is their article on "Hand".

very unbiased factually correct person said:
The human hand is one of God's most amazing creations. No other creature has a limb quite like it, apart from a number of other primates and also kangaroos and squirrels and chameleons and a number of other animals.

The opposable thumb makes it possible to grasp branches and manipulate tools. Although the human hand is not nearly as strong as a that of a chimpanzee, when a person turns his or her hand to a task he or she can build enormous skyscrapers or tiny electronic circuits.
 
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Evo said:
Is this website a joke?

I sure hope so!:smile:
 
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Conservapedia statistics:

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Moridin said:
Conservapedia statistics:

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That's not working.
 
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Unfortunately it isn't a joke. Be sure to check out their pages on atheism, evolution and homosexuality. If you haven't lost your faith in humanity after you've read those articles, you're too optimistic about life.
 
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Darkiekurdo said:
Unfortunately it isn't a joke. Be sure to check out their pages on atheism, evolution and homosexuality. If you haven't lost your faith in humanity after you've read those articles, you're too optimistic about life.
I will never lose my faith in humanity no matter what I read. True I am extremely optimistic, but not too optimistic. In my opinion, you read too little and too narrowly, but that opinion is based on a very tiny sample and so might be wrong. At least I hope so.
 
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Darkiekurdo said:
Unfortunately it isn't a joke. Be sure to check out their pages on atheism, evolution and homosexuality. If you haven't lost your faith in humanity after you've read those articles, you're too optimistic about life.

Part of it has got to be a joke, even if the site as a whole is sadly serious. They choose 7 quotes to represent homosexuality, two of which are:
- We want your children. Give us your children. - Homosexual activists at the Hamilton Square Baptist Church riot [3]
- They are after me. It's me they want. - Terrified 9 year old boy on the way home from the Hamilton Square Baptist Church riot[3]

I also like the fact that the criticize Wikipedia editors for not representing America accurately, but I really doubt they do either.
 

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